Episode 5: The Shining & Room 237

Was The Shining  Stanley Kubrick's way of exploring: genocide? ghosts? telekinesis? the occult? cabin fever? the moon landing? abuse? reincarnation?

⚠️ Spoilers lie ahead!

Links:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081505/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_237

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MYXAY85?ref_=dbs_m_mng_rwt_calw_tkin_0&storeType=ebooks

https://screenrant.com/fan-theories-the-shining-explained/#kubrick-faked-the-moon-landing


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Transcript

Transcription by Otter.ai.  Please forgive any typos!

Welcome to con-sara-cy theories. Are you ready to ask questions you shouldn't and find information you're not supposed to know? Well, you're in the right place. Here is your host, Sara Causey.

Hello, Hello, and thanks for tuning in. In tonight's episode, I want to talk about Stanley Kubrick's film The Shining, I don't intend to get as granular in my summary of the shining as I did with Eyes Wide Shut, because I think more people have seen the shining. And there's more cultural awareness around the film. Whereas I think that Eyes Wide Shut is more of a cult film. I mean, the movie networks run the shining throughout the month of October leading up to Halloween. But I rarely see Eyes Wide Shut, even on paid movie networks. Forget about broadcast TV or even cable TV, you really just don't see Eyes Wide Shut being broadcast very often. We can theorize about why that is. But the shining is on more often. It also was released in 1980. So if you have not seen the film, then I don't know what you're waiting on. By now you should have. Nevertheless, if you have not seen the shining, but you intend to I want to warn you that there will be spoilers. In this broadcast. There's no way around it. In order for me to talk about the film itself, the various conspiracy theories and fan theories around the film, we're going to have to get into spoilers. There will also be a decent amount of course language, I'm afraid because of the way the Czech Torrance talks in the film. In order for us to break down and do an analysis of the movie we're gonna have to be able to speak freely, and I don't want to go through and have AI software bleep, various and sundry F words that Jack Torrance uses in the film that I'm just repeating. So you have been duly warned spoilers lie ahead, as well as less than G rated language. So I'm going to crack open a ginger ale here, for me a nice little frosty beverage that I'm allowed to enjoy. And you and I will saddle up and take this ride. Here's the way that I intend to do my summary and my thoughts about the film. I recently rewatched it I typically will only allow myself to watch it one time during the month of October when as I mentioned, the movie channels all seem to be showing the shining in the lead up to Halloween. I will allow myself to watch it one time in the month of October and that's it. It unnerves me a lot. I just find it to be really creepy. And I've said on the air before that, for my money. The Shining is scarier than the exorcist. With the exorcist. I don't ever suspend my disbelief. I'm aware that I'm watching a horror movie. It's a well made horror movie. Yes. But at the same time, it doesn't feel real to me. If you're trying to convince me that demonic possession exists, that it's a real phenomenon. Watching Jack Nicholson play Jack Torrance in The Shining is much closer, I would believe in demonic possession if I saw a man behaving like that. Where Linda Blair in The Exorcist, the makeup and the pee green soup, vomit and she says horrible things and does horrible things to her body. Her eyes are glowing green. There's a lot there with special effects. And I think one of the triumphs of The Shining is that Stanley Kubrick doesn't over rely on computer graphics, Jack looks possessed without having glowing green eyes or filed down teeth. He doesn't have to defile himself with a crucifix and scandalize the audience, he looks demonically possessed. So I only watched the shining typically one time in October and after that, I'm like I'm done. I've I've seen enough for now. But for the purposes of this episode, I wanted everything to be fresh in my mind. So what I did was I just got a notepad and a pen and I sat and made notes as I rewatched the film for this broadcast, thinking also about a documentary film called room 237. I'll drop a link so you can check it out for yourself as of this recording, it's available for free on Tubi. That's where I was able to watch it and it was thought provoking. Some of the theories and ideas seemed pretty far fetched and out there. I mean, somebody had to really reach and then reach and then reach some more to get to some of the ideas that they posited in that documentary. But what that documentary does is it just gives the space to people to say, here's what I think the movie is about. It doesn't purport that any of them are accurate. It just gives them a podium to stand up and speak and say, Hey, here's what I think. So I did a similar thing. I rewatched the film and I just sat down with a notepad and a pen. And whatever struck me whether it was from Jay Dyer's book, esoteric Hollywood, it was from one of the commentators in room 237 Or it was just my own original thought. I just started jotting it down stream of consciousness as I rewatched the film. And as the film opens up, you know, there's that beautiful yet haunting, it's It's oddly creepy. This shot of the lake and the trees and the mountains being reflected back in the lake. And this is something that Jay Dyer mentions in esoteric Hollywood. Is this an occult reference to the maxim as above? So below? Is it a reflection, because we're going to be seeing reflections and mirrors throughout the film? And if so, what does that mean? Something else that struck me looking at this little small yellow VW Beetle, that Jack Torrance is driving to the interview, the vehicle looks so small, it's a small type of vehicle anyway, but it really looks small, against the backdrop of these mountains and the tall trees and this rugged terrain, this little tiny bug going into this, you know, sort of overwhelming environment. I also feel like we're warriors, because of this up high bird's eye view shot that we have not only of the beetle, but of the entire landscape. And I think that's something else that comes out through the movie, at least for me, anyway, is this sense of voyeurism, like we're on this adventure with these people, it's not a good adventure. And it's almost like we're seeing and feeling things that we're not supposed to. So Jack gets in for the interview. And something that strikes me about Allman. Now there's a theory and it's positive online, as well as in room 237. That Allman has an erection during the scene right around the time where he walks around the desk and is just about even with the paper tray. Supposedly he has an in gorgeous, remember, sorry, there's no, there's not necessarily a G rated way to say that, folks, this is an adult broadcast, we're after hours. I mean, I don't notice it. Maybe it's there. Maybe it's not that is that is one theory that gets tossed around. Somebody else on the room. 237 documentary had suggested that Ullman is a sort of JFK lookalike with his to pay and the way that his posture and his behavior is, and once I saw it, I couldn't unsee it. Now, I don't know if the actor really is where I get to pay or not. That might be his natural hair. But it's funny because he actually does have this little American flag on the desk. And he does act in this way that's expansive and diplomatic. So I could see somebody making this JFK comparison. Whereas, Bill, the summertime caretaker is gaunt. Like he's, he's short in stature, and then he's thin. And his skin tone is sort of sallow. And he sits there really like he's skeptical of this whole thing like he the body language is I don't want to be here. And we don't know if he doesn't want to be there. Because there's some rivalry. Well, I'm the summertime guy. He's the wintertime guy. Is there some rivalry like that? Does he figure out that Jack is completely full of bullshit? What's the deal? You know, so the the commentator on room 237 suggests that this sallow, gaunt character bill is really like the Charlie into alpha agent. So Ohlman is like the JFK look alike. That's being very presidential and trying to lure jack into doing the job. And then there's Bill guy, who's the summertime caretaker is like the agency guy that's trying to just sit there and make sure that almond doesn't say too much, or screw up and let a cat out of the bag that he's not supposed to. If we carry that metaphor on, which to be clear, I'm not saying that Stanley Kubrick was thinking about any of this when he made the film. But if we carry that metaphor on with the summer caretaker, being short of stature, quite thin, sort of sallow and gone looking, not saying much of anything. We could extend the metaphor out that Ullman is the JFK look alike. And this bill guy is the Lee Harvey Oswald look alike. Again, not saying that's the case. Just saying in that metaphor, we could go there.

And Omen mentions that the site has been chosen for its seclusion and scenic beauty. You It's only open for this small amount of time during the year. And Jack asks about the skiing. Oh, the skiing must be spectacular. Well, yeah, it would be. But this site was chosen for its seclusion, it would just be too difficult to keep the road open, too difficult to keep everything plowed for people to be able to ski here in the winter. But besides, it was chosen for its seclusion, because there's nothing ominous and hyper elites doing a cult rituals quite like that. Something that has struck me before especially being involved in HR and staffing work. And it struck me again in this rewatching is that Jack sounds like a candidate who's going to say anything just to get the job. It really doesn't matter what Allman says, good, bad or indifferent, Jack is going to nod and smile and go along with it. One of the criticisms that Stephen King had about Kubrick's adaptation is that Jack is crazy from the beginning. And you can tell when Jack Nicholson is sitting there for the interview, he looks insane. Now, for me, having read the novel, but also seeing the film, that's one of the things that makes it more terrifying. There are some real material differences between the novel and the film, which my purpose in this podcast episode is not to get into the novel. For me, knowing that Jack is crazy. It's like this is not going to end well. There's no this is like watching a slow moving train wreck. You know, it's going to be bad. You know, he's crazy. And he's going to move his family in there. Oh, God, what a nightmare. And to me that makes it worse. So he's very smarmy, he just comes across as disingenuous to me like, I don't care what you're saying, I don't eat Oh, you're telling me that people got X murdered here? Fine. No worries. I will say anything to get this job. And one of the things that are supposed to JFK lookalike Omen says is will Grady seemed completely normal? The police thought it was cabin fever. And he tells this awful story to Jack and Jack's like, well, you know, Wendy is a ghost story and horror film addict. Like she's gonna be fine with it. Yeah. All right. And then another note that I wrote down is how is Danny slash Tony having all of these premonitions? Also, why are his pants off? When the doctor comes? You know, he has this premonition standing at the sink in the bathroom, where Tony is showing him these visions of blood and the elevators and scary things associated with this hotel. But then when the doctor comes his pants are off. I find that weird. Why if you have a kid had a fainting spell, or a seizure of some kind, why would your automatic go to response be to take their pants off? I personally find that very weird. And how did Danny get the idea of Tony being a little boy who lives inside his mouth? They just well, windy anyway writes it off, as well as his imaginary friend Tony. And it's like a little boy that lives inside his mouth, but then crawls into his stomach to hide that isn't typical imaginary friend territory. There is this vibe. And we see it in in the early scenes when the doctor comes and she's talking to windy and asking questions. And you know, Shelley Duvall has that cigarette ash that looks like it's 1000 miles long. There's a vibe in that scene that reminds me of The Exorcist. Because Reagan's mother gets told the same kind of things about her condition. There's nothing physically wrong, you know, kids can scare you it looks a lot worse than it is must just be something psychological. Some of that same dismissive attitude about Danny's problems. Oh, it's probably auto hypnosis, it'll disappear when he gets older. We see a similar idea to that playing out in The Exorcist like, Well, kids can be weird kids can be creepy, but he'll grow out of it. And when he makes mention that Danny didn't like nursery school and started talking to Tony around the same time, but then this was also around the same time that Jack has assaulted Danny. So is Tony somehow like a disassociated personality that Danny goes into? And then if so how is Tony able to give him these premonitions? That's weird. We also learn that Jack has only been sober for five months. And I wrote in my notebook here, no one in recovery would recommend this situation. You're gonna go off you've been in recovery from an alcohol addiction for only five months and you're gonna move your family to this area of isolation and be Blizzard it in for the whole winter. Right? That's a great idea. And also the scene where they're in the beetle on the way all three of them have piled into the beetle. On the way to the hotel feels claustrophobic. For me, it's time I in the car, the shot from the camera is tight and you can already tell that Jack has contempt for the family. He doesn't look happy. And there's this illusion to the Donner party. Because when these like, hey, wasn't it the Donner party got stuck up here at some point? Oh, I think that was further west. They ate each other up in order to survive. That's one of the comments that Jack makes they ate each other up in order to survive, which is really what we see happening in the shining as the movie goes on. And Danny said he knows what cannibalism is because he saw it on TV. And Jack already looks maniacal and he makes this sort of sarcastic comment like oh, it's Okay dear. He saw it on the television. Creepy. And then to add to add to the What the f factor, Jack is reading a play girl magazine, in public on the first day of a new job, and I have written in my notes who does that with two question marks. Who who would go to a job that way? It's your first day on the job, and you're going to read a playgirl magazine, a pornographic magazine out in public. To take a deep dive on that further. Jay Dyer has a screenshot blown up in his book esoteric Hollywood of that exact issue of playgirl magazine. And one of the stories in this magazine. I'm not kidding. Is incest, why parents sleep with their children? Why? Even more? So? Why would that be something that you would want to read out in public? Your first day on a new job? I find that to be incredibly disturbing. The only thing I can compare it to because listen, the longer you're in HR and staffing work, the more insanity that you see from people. The only thing I can really compare that to that when 50 shades became super popular and everybody and their dog and their uncle and their mom's brothers cousins wife was reading it. There was a woman who showed up to interview with me, and she was reading a copy of 50 shades and she sort of blushed a little bit and said I'm just so interested I can't set this down. And I'm thinking try. That's the closest comparison I can make. Okay, so as they're going through the hotel and our suppose at JFK lookalike is walking them through with Bill on the back end, carefully monitoring everything that is being said. He's talking about people who've stayed there, the jet set for presidents lots of movie stars. Wendy asked about royalty and he says all the best people. This makes me think of Eyes Wide Shut. And when Sydney Pollack's character, Ziegler has called Tom Cruise's character bill into that billiard room to tell him I'm not gonna tell you the names of who was in that room. But you wouldn't sleep so well at night. Wealthy people, powerful people. I'm not going to tell you their names. Similar thing Oh, the best people have stayed here the jetset four presidents. Danny, who's been in the game room sees the twins even though they're not twins. I think like one's supposed to be eight one's supposed to be 10. Kubrick uses twin girls for the roles, so I'm just gonna call them the twins. Danny sees the twins in the game room straightaway. There are some posters in that game room that various conspiracy theorists have said mean something. For example, one of them is ski monarch. And allegedly monarch could refer to the program Project Monarch that was part of MK Ultra Mind Control Program. It is interesting. I think that Ohlman makes a point to say that yes, the skiing up here could be good, but we closed down because it would just be too costly to try to keep a road open for skiers to come up here. Plus, this location was chosen for its occlusion and scenic beauty, not for the skiing. Well then why the hell would you have a ski poster up? If you're not marketing to skiers, and in fact you're closed in the wintertime when they could go skiing? Why would you have a ski monarch poster up in your game room? Just long pause there so you can contemplate that I don't know.

They they're shown this self contained apartment. It's like you've got this weird little self contained apartment but you have the whole rest of the hotel to move around in the 13 foot maze. Interesting to me that they chose the number 13 Because that's historically an unlucky number. And there's the whole concept of trischka DECA phobia to describe somebody that scared of 13 elevators not having a 13th floor because it's bad luck. He also makes a reference to the Indian burial ground that the hotel was built on top of an Indian burial ground and even had to fend off so Some attacks from the natives when the hotel was being built. And Bill follows behind. And I wrote here's what I wrote in my notebook bill follows behind like the Dick Cheney, making sure Allman doesn't say much he shouldn't all booze has been removed. This is also significant because we know that Jack has this tenuous grip on sobriety. All the booze has been removed. We also learned for the first time that windy is actually Winifred. We don't find that out until she gets introduced, I think to Deke Halloran. Whenever Danny comes back from the game room, he's got a receptionist or an assistant somebody that's brought him back from the game room to find his parents, because clearly they're not worried about where he's been. And Jack asked him Did you get tired of bombing the universe? That's a weird question to ask. I mean, was he playing a video game about bombing the universe? I don't know. I didn't see him doing that. When he was in there. He turned around and saw the twins. He had been playing darts. So I don't I feel like that's a reference to something. Danny shows up when Dick Halloran does they both have the shining so is it a coincidence that they showed up at the same time? Wendy and Danny go off with Dick to look at the kitchen and understand how the food supply works there whereas Jack and Allman and build a sort of Dick Cheney type go off together. Plenty of food in the kitchen. You know, dig Halloran wants to make sure that Wendy knows there's more food than they could ever possibly eat while they're marooned up there. But yet, earlier we got the reference to cannibalism. That's something I wrote down in my notes. It just struck me funny they had to eat each other to survive. But yet they Cameron is taking windy and Danny into the kitchen to show them this overabundance of food. That is an interesting juxtaposition to me. And Dick also calls Danny in front of everyone by accident. Now some people have said that in the pantry, where you can see the cans of Calumet with the Indian chief design on it that is a reference to like Kubrick is letting us know that the film is a reference to Native American genocide. There are other people that say that the cans of Tang are a reference to Kubrick's filming of the moon landing. I'll get into that before the episode is over with just just wrote those down in my notes because they do exist as conspiracy theories around the film. And Dick and Danny are able to talk through mental telepathy. And this creates a bond between the two of them. And it's interesting because Allman makes the comment on October 30. When they move in by five o'clock, you'll never know anyone was here and windy refers to it as a ghost ship. Again, I don't think that those bits of dialogue are on accident. I don't think it's accidental either that their first day completely alone in the hotel is October 31. You will also hear later in the film when Jack is reading windy though the absolute Riot Act about and this is a contract. This is an obligation. He says that he's obligated to stay until May 1. Well, that did not catch my ear by accident. So they're first alone day and and alone time with no other people around totally solo in this hotel is on the sound, aka Halloween. And then he's obligated to stay until May 1. Well, April 30 is Walpurgisnacht in German folklore. And then May Day is the Beltane and in occult traditions at the sound, and then again at the Beltane those are times when the veil between the living and the dead becomes thin. Now, if you're a psychic or have any mediumship abilities yourself, I don't have to tell you that. But I think it's interesting that Kubrick sets it up so that they're going to be there they're going to be ostensibly moving in and then also ostensibly moving out. Have they chosen to do that at these times when that veil between the living and the dead is thin. i That part I absolutely don't think is coincidental. Just like the ghost ship remark. So Danny and Dick are continuing to have this conversation sometimes people with the shining don't know it sometimes they don't want to know it. And there's this discussion about how Tony shows Danny visions Danny starts asking more about the hotel and digs explanation of what's going on to Danny is more like a residual haunting. Almost like energetic snapshots in time. Some bad things happened here. Some good things happened here. And it's just like pictures on a book. It's not happening now. It's not real. It's just a replay. Danny already knows about room 237 and asked about it. And even though Dick tells him I'm not afraid. He also warns Danny to stay out. Like it's none of your business. Stay out of there. So then we fast forward in time one month later, and I wrote in my notepads, so there, they've made it for one whole month.dot.we see Wendy wheeling a tray all the way to the apartment like a maid, like Jack can't even be bothered to walk and go get his own damn breakfast. Wendy has to wheel a tray all the way through this large hotel, like a maid to get to the apartment. We learned that it's 1130 in the morning, and Jack is still asleep. There's a reference that Jack stayed up too late when he wants to go for a walk. But Jack says he needs to write and there seems to be this tension there between windy and Jack as to why he's not writing. And Jack makes this comment. It's It's as though I have been here before deja vu. Wendy admits that she was scared of the hotel, but Jack says he liked it immediately. Then he starts talking about opinion before deja vu. Again, this dialogue is not happening on accident. But when he's supposed to be writing, he's bouncing a ball against the wall. And he's doing so in this giant lobby area. And they're expensive pieces of art and beautiful native american designs. And it it strikes me that he was defacing historical artifacts like he doesn't care. It's almost like a little kid. I'm gonna bounce a ball in this room until mommy comes and tells me to cut it out. jack stands over a replica of the maze, and it's like a cat watching mice. What it reminded me of I did a lot of work in college as well as graduate school with the Faust legend. I just I find the phallus legend to be endlessly fascinating. And I wrote my master's thesis about how FW Murnau adapt Gurkhas Mephistopheles From Page to Screen. I think that Murnau is filmmaking is incredible. And in particular, Faust is a silent film. But it is just next level. Now that is another film that creeps me out. I have seen it hundreds of times. And there were nights when I think I watched it basically in a continuous loop as I was making notes for my thesis. Had some weird experiences then to I'm not going to get into that on this episode. That'll be for another time. But I was just yeah, there were some things that happened during that period of time. That creeped me out. Anyway, I digress. It reminds me of this scene in FW Murnau adaptation of Faust where towards the beginning of the film, we see like

a wide shot of 1000s village, the rooftops and the church steeples and whatnot. And Mephistopheles appears and he's much, much, much larger than this cityscape. And he spreads out his wings to go over the city and envelop the city in darkness and plague. That's what it reminds me of. And in fact, they play that scene in room 237. They play that exact scene not necessarily in conjunction with Jack looking at the maze, but they show that clip from renounce Faust and it makes total sense to me why? That's that's what it reminds me of like Jack is this larger than life Mephistophelean character that's watching Wendy and Danny in this maze. Like it's a what I what I also wrote in my notebook is it's a power move dominance, voyeurism. We saw that same kind of voyeurism when Jack is writing into the environment and that little tiny beetle, and these big mountains and these big trees, and we're like the voyeur that's getting a bird's eye view watching him drive to this interview knowing he's going to his doom. There is also a news story of a woman who's gone missing while windy is in the kitchen. Kubrick being such an intentional filmmaker. I don't think that that's accidental either. It also struck me that riding a trike inside is weird. It feels unnatural, like Danny is trapped. I know the weather outside is bad. The snowfall and the cold temperatures might not have been the most hospitable environment for him to go out and ride his tricycle on the sidewalks or across the parking lot. I get that. But there's just something unnatural about this little kid having to play inside all the time and having to ride a tricycle inside this hotel instead of being able to just go out like a normal kid. Danny is curious, of course have room 237 And he even tries the door. Before the scene where he's able to gain entry he he's curious and even tries the door. But fortunately, it's locked. It also strikes me of all the places to work, because this hotel is huge. Of all the places that Jack can work trying to write his great American novel or whatever the hell he thinks he's doing. Why does he choose the large lobby? And like it's almost like you claustrophobia, if he goes into normal size room, is he going to feel stifled? And why does he need to work in this giant great space? The biggest space that exists arguably, inside this hotel, maybe the Gold Room is bigger, I'm not sure, but he's in a huge space that he has commandeered strictly for himself. What it reminds me of are like, sort of toxic family dynamics where it's like, well, your dad has to come home and drink three glasses of scotch and have total quiet in his study before you can talk to him. Daddy has to sit at the head of the table for every meal, Daddy has to eat first. You know, it's kind of toxic old school environments like that daddy gets the lobby, Daddy gets the biggest room just because he exists and has a penis. Okay? Now there's also a scene where Wendy's trying to be friendly to jack and jack is just a complete asshole to her. There's a if you look, is it a continuity error or has Kubrick done it on purpose? I don't know. There's a chair there chair missing chair there. This is discussed in that room 237 documentary. If you look the hind jack in that scene, there will be a chair there. And then a shot where the chair is missing. And then a shot where the chair is back again. When he's trying to be friendly, and she accuses jack of just being a grouch and he just gets super mean, when you interrupt me You break my concentration. And he says to her when I'm typing or whatever the fuck leave me alone. Get the fuck out of here. Can you imagine? Wow. Wow, nobody did it. I mean, that's a horrible way to talk to your spouse. And as the winter storm approaches, Jack's mood seems to become more hostile. And what I wrote in my notes is we tend to think of snow as being pure and pretty yet it's trapping the Torrance is there. So conversely instead of Jack being like yeah, it's it's pretty and it's beautiful. What an awesome bit of scenery he just becomes more hostile and hateful. And yet at the same time, that snow these these blizzards coming through are just further trapping the tortoises inside that place. Jack looks maniacal yet catatonic the apex predator he looks demonically possessed because there's a scene where Wendy and Danny go outside and they're playing they're doing very normal mother and son activities chasing each other through the snow and throwing snowballs and he's just staring straight ahead, catatonic get demonically possessed he looks evil and predatory in that scene. The phone goes down of course and the storm this is another trap. The radio to the Forest Service works and they let windy know that probably the telephones are going to be down all the way till springtime. The man suggests that windy just leaves the emergency radio on permanently. Danny is yet again riding his tricycle indoors. He sees the twins again. And they make the creepy comment about

Come play with us forever and ever. And he

sees their dead bloody bodies. Very creepy. Then when the and Danny are watching the summer 42 on the television while Jack is asleep. And it's like that seems to be an odd choice of film for a kid that young because it's a movie like a coming of age type of movie about this 15 year old boy and his friends that are sex obsessed. I'm not really sure that that's the kind of movie that a mother and son would be watching together. So when we think about that, we remember that Jack was reading this creepy playgirl magazine out in public in front of God and everybody on the first day of his job and there's an article in that magazine about incest and then we're we're seeing Wendy and Danny watching the summer 42 which is a coming of age story where these you know, young teenage boys are sex obsessed. Seems kind of weird to me. Danny wants to go and get his firetruck out of the room. Of course we assume that Jack is still asleep. However Jack is sitting on the edge of the bed staring straight ahead. He's disheveled and in a bathrobe and he's just sitting there on the edge of the bed staring straight ahead so he's gone into another catatonic yet demonically possessed altered state. He holds Danny and it's weird. I want you to have a good time. It's just weird. Jack says he's got too much to do to sleep yet he was catatonic So what is he doing? What is he saying? I have not too much to do. But I was sitting here on the edge of the bed in an altered state of consciousness. And then like the Grady twins, Jack says to Danny forever and ever. I love you Danny. Forever and ever. Did your mother say I'd hurt you in in this dialogue I have creepy written in all caps in my notebook. So we get to the scene that people who are conspiracy theorists regarding the moon landing and Kubrick's possible role in faking quote, faking the moon landing. This is part of their ammunition for that. Danny is wearing this Apollo sweater. And there's a carpet change. This is something else that we learn in room 237 I had never noticed it before. But this ball this disembodied ball rolls to Danny from nowhere. Now for me shit like that is creepy. That is way creepier than jumpscares and CGI animated bullshit. Stuff like that is unnerving to me because I can lose my suspension of disbelief 100% So this ball rolls daily from nowhere. And initially, there's this brown stripe on the carpet, but in the very next scene, that stripe is not there. Weird. I mean, is this just another continuity error or has Kubrick done it on purpose? Room 237 is open. The key is in the door and the lights are on. So of course you know Danny's already been curious as kids will be the forbidden fruit the one place in the hotel you're not supposed to go, Well, where does he want to go? Wendy is in the basement checking the boilers, which is what Jack was hired to do. I mean, she's very much playing the role of the dutiful supportive wife. Jack has his head down on his desk yelling and drooling like a weirdo. Wendy is the one who really takes care of the hotel. Since Jack is supposedly going to sit in the lobby and type his great American novel. When he is the one that really goes around and does the stuff. She for all intents and purposes is the real caretaker of the place. Jack says he's had a most terrible nightmare. She hears him yelling of course and runs to the rescue because again, she's this put upon dutiful wife. Oh, I've had the most terrible nightmare and he confesses to her that he drugged he killed Wendy and Danny by hacking them up. Now who would admit that? Go tell that to your therapist, but don't ever tell that to your spouse. Danny meanwhile, wanders into the room. He's in a trance and he's sucking his thumb like a toddler would. He's got marks on his neck and his sweater is torn up. Jack gets catatonic again. So windy assumes that Jack hurt Danny especially on the heels of oh, I just dreamt that I killed y'all. We are what would you think? Even though this has happened, and he should be concerned about Danny and who in the hell tried to strangle Danny, he's mad and kind of plays the martyr about it and goes to the Gold Room. When he flips the lights on something that I noticed is the tabletop candles came on to. So I don't know if they were electric. Or if that's a some sort of supernatural indication that all of the candles came on. I just thought it was odd. Now he sits at the bar and says I'd give my god damn soul just for a glass of beer. And then Lloyd appears with tons of alcohol. Again, this is another great reference, I think to the Faust legend, because it's the same thing Faust offers to make this pact with Mephistopheles. It's not the ghosts don't show up until Jack makes this offer to give his soul just for a beer. I don't think that's coincidental. Here's another question. How does he know Lloyd's name? He says that Lloyd was always the best from Timbuktu to Portland, Maine or Portland, Oregon, for that matter? And it's like, what are these references really about? How does he know Lloyd's name? He refers to alcohol as being quote The White Man's Burden. This is a reference to Rudyard Kipling's poem, The White Man's Burden from 1899. If we go to Wikipedia, under the interpretation section, we read the imperialist interpretation of the White Man's Burden proposes that the white race is morally obliged to civilize the non white peoples of planet Earth and to encourage their progress, economic, social and cultural through colonialism and quote, so that's awful. Why? Why is Jack referring to alcohol as a white man's burden? Is he saying there that he's going to have to start drinking again so that he can deal with Wendy and Danny so that he can deal with windy and Danny by doing away with them and get what he wants out of the hotel? It's a it's a creepy reference. He also tells Lloyd that he's been having five miserable months on the wagon, and the expression on his face after he has that first bourbon. It's otherworldly. This is another expression. I mean, it owes to Jack Nicholson's acting prowess because his face is just otherworldly. He refers to windy as the old sperm bank upstairs. And that bitch in referring to Danny, he says I love the little son of a bitch, which is what any tender loving father would say, right? I love the son of a bitch. He also refers to Danny as that little fucker. And I wrote in my notes, we're hearing what Jack truly thinks. Because whether he's drunk or not, you is this Lloyd ghost bartender guy actually giving him real alcohol or is Jack drunk in his mind? It really doesn't matter because you're hearing what Jack really thinks about windy and Danny in vino veritas will even if it's fake vino, we're hearing what Jack really thinks about the two of them. And it's like I also wrote in my notes, it's like Jack wants to know reminder of what he did, because they both tried to downplay Danny's injury. You know, the the information we learn toward the beginning of the movie that Jack was drunk. And he came home late, Danny had scattered some of his school papers around, and he grabbed me by the arm. Oh, and just for one second for one split second. He didn't know his own strength. He didn't mean to do it. But he broke Danny's arm. And it's like Jack wants no reminder of that. They both tried to downplay the injury, because we see her spouting the same kind of gaslighting, the same kind of manipulation to the doctor at the beginning. Oh, could happen to anybody. Oh, just a run of the mill accident. He didn't mean it. But he's sober now. He hadn't had no alcohol since then. Reminds me of that SNL skit, where they were showing Hillary Clinton beating on Bill and he's like blood. She loves me this the same same kind of thing.

It's also worth noting that when Wendy comes in, there's no Loyd or booze bottles. So it's like, okay, is Jack only hallucinating all of this in his mind? Or did the ghost disappear? Because they weren't ready for Wendy to see them? Yeah. And then where does the baseball bat come from? Because she's carrying a baseball bat, I guess to beat up the woman in room 237. But where does the baseball bat come from? I know they arrived with quite a bit of luggage. But why would you pack a baseball bat to go to a winter resort? How much outdoor baseball Are you going to be playing there? Meanwhile, Dick is in Miami and they report on the Rockies. So that was weird. Like, I guess that's just an obvious like plot exposition device because why in Miami where they're saying it's in the 90s? Why would they randomly be reporting on the Rockies? Also, dig Halloran has pornographic pictures on the wall why? Dick realizes that Danny is in serious trouble by way of their telekinetic powers or whatever you want to call it through the shining. So Jack goes to room 237 to investigate this mystery woman who's tried to kill Danny. And we see some imagery here also, in thinking about a cult folklore, we have the reference to the sound and the Beltane. Now we also have this occult folklore image of the seductive maiden versus the old crone. We see this imagery as it relates to stories of like the spring and summer and then the following winter. Mother Nature is like the seductive maiden in the springtime and the summertime, but then becomes the old crone in the falling winter. Which when you think about it, that is the natural order of things. There are periods of time where the body should be fertile. There are periods of time where it is about mating and procreation and being young and new bile and then there's a time when it's not about that. It's a time when you shouldn't be procreating. So this, to me this, this imagery is interesting that Kubrick uses it's also not lost on me that this woman is tall and statuesque, like the sex slaves that we see in Eyes Wide Shut. Now, maybe that was just the type of lady that Kubrick really had the hots for. I don't know, but but we see the same exact body type in both films. Something else that I wrote in my notebook, supposedly she's an attempted murder a child murderer at that, but he's going for it. I mean, she comes up out of this bathtub stark naked, leaving nothing to the imagination. And instead of being like, Who are you, how did you get in here? And why would you try to kill my son? He doesn't say anything to her. She comes up and starts kissing on him and he's totally fine with it. He goes back and tells me Oh kohrville I'm jumping ahead here. So he's fine with it. But then of course, she turns into not only an old crone, but a corpse. There are obvious areas of rotting flesh. And he sees a vision of the old woman dead in the bathtub and then sees this old woman with pieces of rotting flesh. coming towards him laughing maniacally. Now he gets back and tells windy that the hotel is empty and he see no woman. And he's trying to convince windy that well, you know, if his other explanation doesn't make any sense if it's not true, he did it to himself. For me this is a similar type of gaslighting to the incident where Jack breaks Danny's arm. It was just an accident. I momentarily didn't know my own strength. I didn't really mean to hurt him. Well, Danny did it to himself. Even though Jack has seen this crazy ghost woman corpse figure in the bathroom. He tries to convince windy that I guess Danny just heard himself he must have tried to strangle himself. And windy of course wants to get Danny out of there. And Jack just flies off the handle. And I think this is something else that we are aware of as being part of Jack's temperament. Especially with the stories connected to Danny. Anytime somebody makes him angry. He just goes from zero to 60 in three seconds. I've let you fuck up my life so far. I mean, it's clear that Jack is not going to leave the hotel he is not going back to Boulder. Windy is alone in trying to help Danny. So now there's a party in the Gold Room. And I wrote in my notes ghosts feeding on negative energy question mark. Exactly. Because there are those if you if you give any credence to different paranormal theories. Some people do some people don't. But there is the theory that ghosts and spirits feed on energy and in particular, malevolent spirits like to feed on malevolent energy. So have they been able to manifest energy from this fight? And the anger the sheer anger that Jack feels toward windy? I don't know. I also wrote is this time travel? Is it a multiverse? Is it another dimension? Is it just a hallucination? We also see that Jack now has money in his wallet. Before when he saw Lloyd the first time he talked about how he had 40 bucks in his wallet. He thought he was going to have it through the whole winter. But then when he opens his wallet, it's not there. But then this next time the money is there. But Lloyd says he doesn't have to pay and whenever Jack pushes back and says he wants to know who's buying his drinks for him. It's not a matter that concerns you. Not at this point. Weird. Grady dumps avocado drink all over this. This is a great device for getting Jack and Grady to have a conversation by themselves. We also hear Grady refer to Jack as your the important one. And they go in this high contrast very garish, garish red and white bathroom. I mean the red is bright, brilliant red and the white is quite brilliant white I mean and the contrast between the two and almost hurts your eyes watching them in this scene. Again Kubrick being such an intentional filmmaker This is not on accident. Grady denies ever being the caretaker. And in what I wrote in my notes is this is such an odd dark conversation for the colors in the environment. Great he keeps denying and he's trying to gaslight Jack the way that Jack has been gaslighting everybody else I don't have any recollection of that at all. Now Jax is something interesting here. He says he saw Grady's picture in the newspaper. But during the interview with Allman, he acted like he didn't know anything about the Grady story. So which is true? Did he already know that Grady had done this Axe Murder, or did he not? Did he look it up after the interview? Maybe he did. But that's odd. grainy tells him you've always been the caretaker and I've always been here. And Grady's demeanor changes to as they get further into this discussion. Grady drops the Oh, you're the important one. Oh, very good sir. Jolly good governor. He drops that routine and he starts to use vile language. And he tells jack your son has a very great talent, a very willful boy, a very naughty boy. Grady's daughter we learned tried to burn the hotel down and he killed the girls and then killed his wife in order to protect the hotel. Meanwhile, Wendy is talking to herself trying to devise a plan for how to get Danny out of there. This is another scene that lets us know when it comes to trying to take care of Danny and manage the situation Wendy is on her own. She really is the caretaker not only of the hotel but of the family. Danny starts screaming Read Rom Tony says that Danny isn't there it's like Danny has just disassociated and it's like Danny is no longer here. You're only talking to Tony now. Jack removes parts from the emergency radio, so now they're even more trapped. Dick flies back to college. Rado, since he knows that Danny is in danger. And he must know more about room 237 than what he told Danny. There's a roaring fire in the lobby while Jack is typing. I don't remember seeing a fire in that fireplace before. So Gradius talked about how one of his daughters wanted to burn the place down. But they needed to be corrected, and by corrected he means killed. And then we see a roaring fire in the lobby while Jack is typing. There are car wrecks everywhere as Dick is trying to figure out a way to get to the Overlook. And one of the wrecks that we see is a squashed red VW Beetle on the roadway while dick is driving. Now it's red, whereas Jack's red Beetle in the movie is yellow. But in the novel, The Shining, it's red. So some people think this is Kubrick's way of telling Stephen King, I've commandeered the story. Is that true? I don't know. When he takes the baseball bat, but yeah, when he takes the baseball bat when she goes to confront jack, and this tells me she obviously suspects that something is going to go wrong. Because why would you be walking around is supposedly only the three of you. So why would you just be walking around with a baseball bat unless you're expecting a confrontation?

Now she sees in his notes that he has written the same sentence over and over and over. I wrote in my notes is this automatic writing mean is when he goes into his altered state or his demonically possessed state? Is that what he does, he just sits and types the same sentence over and over again, methodically. So Jack's whole book is a sham. Now that the second part of the proverb he writes, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. But the second part of that proverb is all play and no work makes Jack a mere toy. We assume that Kubrick was familiar with this, again, being such an intentional filmmaker, he wouldn't have put that phraseology in the movie for no reason. All play and no work makes Jack a mere toy. And I wrote is Jack merely a toy of these ghosts of the hotel? We don't know. Is he the puppet master himself? Or is he being used as the marionette? I don't know. And he asked what should be done with Danny and daylight makes this scene creepier for me because Jack is just nuts. He has gone full tilt full scale crazy. And and this confrontation this blow up between he and windy you can see it, he appears possessed the way that he talks to her the way that he acts as she's slowly backing up the staircase, which that's also an abnormal measle insane. She's backing backwards up the staircase with a baseball bat awkwardly position trying to get away from him. And he gripes that her about his contract and his obligation to be the caretaker but windy has been the caretaker really, he's going on and on about his obligation and his reputation and how important this is, but he hasn't done squat as far as really taking care of the hotel. And he tells windy I'm gonna bash your brains in and I wrote in my notes, he's all the way going. So she she beats him instead, and locks him in this freezer pantry room thing in the kitchen where he can't get out. And I thought again, of the reference to cannibalism, they all had each other to survive. There's plenty of food in this hotel more than they can eat in a winter easily, but reference to cannibalism. There's an odd camera angle and for me this foretells Jack Nicholson being cast as the Joker because some of the expressions on his face as he's in this food pantry food locker thing that she's trapped him in. It looks it looks the way that the some of his expressions did in the 1989 Batman he starts to manipulate her with the I'm her I need a doctor and she doesn't buy it. Fortunately, she she starts to realize that she's trapped because Jack lets her know he's messed with the emergency radio on the snowcat and when she sees for herself that's true, she knows she is all the way trapped. This is another theme that we see the phone lines are down the Blizzard has begun. Now I don't have an emergency radio. All of these things continue on that just say you're trapped here. You're trapped here. Creepy. So grainy. This is one of the major supernatural paranormal things that happens in the film. Grady comes to see Jack. So my question is if the ghosts are all hallucinations, then how does Jack get out? Because on the other side of the door, we hear the locks being open and we hear Grady's voice but we don't ever see Grady opening the door. So did Danny do it Was it Grady's ghost? Was it windy? Was it somebody else? I don't know. Did Jack somehow do it himself through magical powers? I don't know. I don't know. But for Mike my question remains if all of these ghosts are supposedly hallucinations and how the jet get out. I also think it's interesting that Grady describes windy as resourceful like she's, she's more resourceful than we thought. Now while this is going on, Wendy is asleep, and I wrote in my notes who could sleep? How the hell is she asleep after all of this has transpired? We learned through the mirror that this red room phrase that Danny slash Tony keeps repeating is murder inverted. This isn't interesting too, because of the whole mirror the as above so below the mirrors the reflections that are somatic in this movie, Wendy sees in the mirror that red Rahm is murder. And of course, there's the famous Here's Johnny scene with the axe. He also makes a reference to the Big Bad Wolf and the Three Little Pigs. To me this goes back to the idea that he is the predator. Wendy and Danny are his prey he hopes and he's the apex predator is oddly spooky and quiet. In the hotel when dig gets there until Jack murders him and he screams he comes out from behind this column screaming when he murders dig Halloran and the last bit of it for me is more like an 80 slasher movie because you have windy going through the hotel with the knife Jack is going around with the axe and the vibe of the movie changes because it really goes from so as jagged as hallucinating all of this to windy starting to see things and that makes you question precisely what is going on at this hotel. Window. Here's chanting, which makes me think again of Eyes Wide Shut chanting and sex slavery, not party music and the sound of light glasses tingling and people laughing and ballroom music playing but she hears something that sounds to me like chanting. And then she sees this perverted furry sexing we're nude who's dressed as either a dog or a bear. Depending in the in the novel, I think it's a dog suit that the guy has on and it's more clearly explicated what's going on in the novel, but this is a scene that Kubrick takes for the movie where these two men are engaged in a sex scene in one of the rooms and Wendy sees it. So we can't blame this as being a hallucination of Jack's mind because Wendy is the only one standing there that sees this. What I've written in my notes as if this was all in Jack's head how does windy see it slash hear it? She also sees a man whose head has been sliced open who asked her great party, isn't it? She gets to the lobby and it's dark. It's full of cobwebs and corpses. But how is this happened? How has the lobby transmogrified from being this well lit clean area to being dark full of cobwebs and corpses? is windy hallucinating also, or is this some supernatural power of the hotel?

Are these ghosts able to manifest these things because they're playing off the negative energy a murderer has just been committed. Jack is in a murderous maniacal rage. Windy and Danny are scared that would be a lot of energy for them to work with. When he also sees blood gushing from the elevators Now the way that Danny slash Tony has been, and it seems to me like both Jack and the hotel have gone into a crazy murder rage at the same time. Jack starts making these noises inside the maze that remind me of a wounded guttural animal. I don't even know how to describe it other than that a wounded guttural noise that an animal would make. He also start singing California. Here I come which is an old Al Jolson song from the 1920s. Since the ballroom parties he's been seeing have these flapper 1920s theme to them. That doesn't seem to be a coincidence. Of course, Danny outsmarts him in the maze and he freezes to death outside and windy and Danny are able to escape. So even though in the film version, Dick Halloran doesn't make it. His sacrifice is not in vain because he's brought a working snowcat the two of them are able to get out. And then the hotel looks normal. In the next scenes, the hotel looks normal, the corpses, the cobwebs, the darkness all of that is gone. And we see Jack and a photo he's cleaned up. He's in a tuxedo. And as Jay Dyer points out, he's making the Baphomet sign as above so below. So in Jays book, esoteric Hollywood he has a screenshot of that photo where Nicholson has one hand pointing down and the other hand pointing up and he J Dyer is written as above, so below as Jack displays the Baphomet sign trapped in his own cyclical prison of eternal return. The caption on this photo that Kubrick shows us is Overlook Hotel July 4 Ball 1921. And Jack Torrance is center stage. I mean, he's has a prominent place in this photograph, like he's a prominent person. Maybe he is the caretaker. Maybe he's the manager or the hotel owner, because everybody seems to be surrounding him. He's the main character in this photograph. Again, he's cleaned up. He's smiling. And like Grady tells him it's like he's always been there. So with no supernatural explanations, no. How do we get there? Has Jack been reincarnated? Has he come back to take what was rightfully his? We don't know. The film is open to many, many interpretations, many interpretations. I want to read the last paragraph from esoteric Hollywood. This is what Jay Dyer has to say. In summary, the shining men is a ghost story, but also something much deeper in Kubrick's film. It is a multi layered exploration of the psyche, the spiritual realm, surrealism, ancient mythology and the satanic occult elite that rule the West as the theme of PDOP H. I L. I C generational bloodlines parasitically manipulate the underclass through the false promise of worldly prosperity. And Jack Danny and the Overlook Hotel and its magnificent maze we see America in a microcosm situated on old Indian lands that now houses a world superpower intent on bombing the universe into submission, all at the behest of a psychopathic madmen Mad Men like Jack, or as displayed in Dr. Strangelove. This control structure operates through cult sex magic and generational trauma. And then in parentheses, he's called out Lolita Eyes Wide Shut and Full Metal Jacket and maintains its control over the masses through the real monarch programming, program, mass media and social engineering then we see Clockwork Orange in parentheses. For Kubrick The Shining is another in his film canon that displays the dark side of spiritual phantasms that lie beyond the mirror of our world in quote, over on screen rent.com They have distilled 10 of the fan theories down which is handy for our purposes. Now, the first one is that the shining has supposedly inspired the movie Frozen. I am vaguely familiar with the movie Frozen, but having not ever seen it, I can't comment on it. The second one is that Kubrick used a red beetle to insult Stephen King. Because the red Beetle was what what Jack Torrance had in the novel, as opposed to a yellow one when we see the wrecked red Beetle in the movie when Dick is trying to drive to get to them. It could be a nod from Kubrick to King that he's hijacked the story and his is crushing King's original vision. Is that true? Again? We don't know. According to the Screen Rant article, supposedly Kubrick did not bother to read the full copy of The Shining. I don't know if that's true. You know, those types of accusations were made pretty frequently about Brando supposedly not reading source material. We heard those accusations a lot around Apocalypse Now that Coppola was taking Heart of Darkness as the source material, but adapting it to the Vietnam War. And supposedly Brando who was playing Colonel Kurtz had never read Heart of Darkness. I don't personally believe that to be true. When he died, there were more than 4000 books found in his personal library. And this included copies of hearts of dark heart of darkness where he had made notes. Now one could say maybe he went and did that later, but I personally don't believe as voracious of a reader as he was. I don't think he showed up having never read the book. Now. That's just my opinion, and it could be wrong. And I wouldn't say the same thing about Kubrick I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't have read the shining and then made a movie adaptation. Then there's the paper tray theory that allegedly whenever Allman stands up. He has a little something going on downstairs. Also the theory that this is about abuse, that maybe Danny has been traumatized, and abused by Jack mean, he is reading that creepy copy of playgirl magazine which has a story about incest on its cover. And then he and Wendy are sitting there watching some are 42 together like that's just wholesome family viewing. Another theory is that the overlook is hell. That's not a bad theory, in my opinion. Like they've they have come there. And now they're being tormented for whatever sins they've committed. The place certainly feels like it could be because they're getting more and more trapped. I'm thinking now of that lyric and Hotel California you can check out anytime you like. But you can never leave any, any any outlet to the outside world that they have rapidly disappears, whether it's the telephone lines, the ability to drive somewhere, the snowcat mean, some of these things were intentionally done by Jack, but we don't know what greater forces were controlling him. There's also the idea that this is a parable of Theseus and the Minotaur. And that Danny is like Theseus. And Jack is like the Minotaur. And supposedly there whenever Jack does some of these maniacal, catatonic stairs, he looks like a bowl. There's even the maze. So the idea is that Danny is going to have to overcome him, he's going to have to get through the maze and work his way out and away from Jack who has gone crazy like a Mad Bull. Obviously, there are also theories around this being a reference to the Charlie in the Alpha mind control experiments like monarch, for example, maybe Jack has been programmed, and this is causing his hallucinations. Maybe this is like a weird microcosm, this family has been taken to this hotel circumstances have been arranged in such a way that they really can't refuse. So they're gonna go to this hotel and be in extreme isolation. And let's see how long it takes before they go crazy. Or let's do certain things, whether these are holographic images or manipulated sights and sounds to try to make them go crazy and see what happens. One of my favorite episodes of The Twilight Zone is the monsters are due on Maple Street. And we see a similar scenario playing out there. How long does it take for these neighbors to all turn against each other and assume that somebody there is a trader, somebody there is responsible for the power outage and the grid going down. You know, and then we see people assessing their reactions.

In my first episode about was the counterculture invented. That's one of the things that is talked about with the protests at Kent State is that you had scientists standing back taking notes, watching the reaction of the protests and protesters. Super creepy stuff. Another theory is that Kubrick is telling us about genocide, whether that's the genocide of the Native Americans, which obviously could be since that is shown throughout the film Ohlman makes the comments about it being on an Indian burial ground and that they even had to stave off attacks whether while they were building the place, Jack makes the reference to alcohol being the White Man's Burden. There are also people that say that by genocide, it also refers to the Holocaust. There's some commentators in the documentary room 237 That allude to it possibly being references to Nazi Germany into the Holocaust. Another theory is that the movie is a mirror because think about the mirrors that we see. Jack in the mirror, sleeping Read Rom can only be read properly when it's in a mirror, that reflective surface that's at the beginning of the mountains and the trees being reflected in mirror image in that lake. I would also argue that the film opens with this notion of as above, so below, and then it closes with that same image of as above, so below, because in the beginning, it's the reflection of the trees and the mountains in that Clear Lake. And then at the end, it's the image of Jack making the Baphomet sign as above so below. Kubrick being intentional I don't think that's an accident. Another theory, of course, is that Kubrick faked the moon landing and that when Danny is standing there in that Apollo 11 jumper, it's a reference to that. Now here I will read directly from the Screen Rant article. Whether viewers believed that the moon landing is fake or not, they have to suspend disbelief even further to believe or not believing this. Fans genuinely genuinely believe that the government hired Kubrick off the heels of 2001 A Space Odyssey impressed by its effects to direct the quote fake moon landing. A blue sweater that Danny is wearing features a shuttle that says Apollo 11 on it and it has LED fans to believe it's Kubrick's covert confession and quote now you will hear the commentators talking about that throughout room 237. Is this Kubrick letting us know that he faked what was shown on TV, not necessarily that the landing itself was faked, but that he faked what was broadcast. And he's trying to let the public know through the Shining Movie some way he's had to keep this secret for all these years. And the commentator I think it's Jay Weidner, if I'm mistaken on that, I apologize because they don't do a good job in room 237 of flashing up the name of the person who's talking they do at the very beginning and then they don't which irritates me because I like to be able to give credit to the right people. So I think it's Jay Weidner, but if I'm, if I am wrong on that, if I am an error, I apologize. But I think it's Jay Wagner talking about you know, the idea of Omen as the JFK look alike and Bill the skinny guy, the skinny summertime caretaker is possibly a Charlie India Alpha stand in who's lurking and making sure that Allman is only saying when he supposed to. And he talks a lot about the moon landing and thinking that this is Kubrick letting us know, like, okay, all men is the the bright facade, the shining face the government official who looks good and who talks good and convinces you it's a good idea. And then Bill is the agency guy in the background who's like, you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave. Is that the case? I don't know. As I said at the beginning, for my money, the shining is one of the scariest movies out there scarier to me than the exorcist. Now, whether any of these theories are true or not, it's a ripe movie for interpretation. I feel that it is a ghost story. And I feel like it does allude a lot to the paranormal and the occult. Now, did Jack have these hallucinations? Was he being manipulated? Was this some kind of mind control program? And that's where the ghosts came from? I truly do not know the answer to that question. I just think it's I think the evidence that Kubrick leaves us with makes it impossible to deny that something abnormal, something freaky, and out of bounds was happening there. Now, that's what I think what do you think? If you haven't seen the movie in a while, pop some popcorn? Check it out and go back with these ideas in mind and see what you think. Stay a little crazy, which this movie will make you and I'll see you in the next episode.

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