Episode 1: Was the counter-culture an invention?

Hippies. Vietnam War protests. Sex, drugs, and rock'n'roll. All springing up naturally  as a backlash against 1950s Ozzie and Harriet white bread culture.

But what if that's not the case?

In his book Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon: Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops & the Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream,  Dave McGowan chronicles a host of connections that are too plentiful to be coincidence.

Links:

https://www.amazon.com/Weird-Scenes-Inside-Canyon-Laurel/dp/1909394122

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurel_Canyon,_Los_Angeles

https://maps.app.goo.gl/ahhqGYrZSvefypBEA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lookout_Mountain_Air_Force_Station

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re_pJuPdz6Q

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MYXAY85?ref_=dbs_m_mng_rwt_calw_tkin_0&storeType=ebooks


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Transcript

Transcription by Otter.ai.  Please forgive any typos!

Welcome to con-sara-cy theories. Are you ready to ask questions you shouldn't and find information you're not supposed to know? Well, you're in the right place. Here is your host, Sara Causey.

Hello Hello and thanks for tuning in. Welcome to Episode One of con-sara-cy theories. I'm glad that you could join me in this after hours walk on the wild side. Hopefully you can settle in with a glass of wine or some other frosty adult beverage. Alas, I cannot do to my heart conditions plural and the medication I have to take alcohol is verboten. Dammit. So I'll have to settle for a Shirley Temple or a ginger ale. Which is okay. So saddle up. And let's ride. In tonight's episode, I want to probe this question was the counterculture and invention. Years ago, I read a book by Dave McGowan called program to kill and it remains one of the scariest books I have ever read in my life. When I finished it, I didn't sleep so well for a while afterwards, it deeply disturbed me. And it will be its own episode at some point down the road. I was having a conversation around Halloween with a friend of mine and we were comparing notes about scary books, scary movies. And he said that the novel and the film of The Exorcist to this day all these years later, it still freaks him out. For me, The Exorcist is disturbing. It's unnerving, especially because there's this cute little 11 or 12 year old kid that's being abused. But I don't ever really lose my suspension of disbelief. That's like when Demi shows up. And he's seeing this girl with zombified skin and glowing green eyes and filed down teeth speaking in an unnatural voice, it's like, Would you really automatically assume somebody in that condition needs a psychiatrist. I mean, I think almost any buddy would start throwing holy water on that poor victim. But then you learn the behind the scenes information that in that scene where she's being thrown up and down on the bed bending at the waist. Linda Blair actually did break her pelvis in that scene. It's like watching child abuse. I just find it very disturbing. For my money. Jack Nicholson's portrayal of Jack Torrance and the shining that comes a lot more near convincing me of demonic possession because he looks evil, the way that he speaks to windy and then he's hanging out with these apparitions and the hotel and creepy conversation between him and Grady in the bathroom. Very disturbing stuff that that movie scares me is that's the kind of thing where I'm like, oh, even talking about it. Now, it's kind of sending a shiver up my spine, that movie gives me the willies. In terms of books, for me, and this is what I told my friend and program to kill by David McGowan. That that is just so holy shit. It is very, very unnerving. That needs to be its own episode for another time. But we're going to be talking about another book that Dave McGowan wrote called Weird scenes inside the canyon, Laurel Canyon covert ops and the dark heart of the hippie dream. I also read that probably I read it for the first time two or three years ago. And I had a similar reaction of like, whoa, wait a minute, because it flies in the face of what we've always been told. Now, I was not alive in the 1960s. So my interest in like the JFK pop, pop and weird things happening in Laurel Canyon, all of that is coming as historical data. For me, I was born toward the end of Gen X. So I was just simply not alive. And well, in the 60s. My parents were their baby boomers. So they they were alive through the entirety of the 1960s and remember it quite well. And they had always been taught the same thing. There was all this upheaval, all of this turmoil, all of this political drama, including pop pops and very prominent figures dying and unnatural sorts of ways. And people were protesting the Vietnam War, and you had a lot of a lot of Sturm on drawing, and it came up very naturally, it was just bound to happen. In terms of the protests, I mean, and I think back to an interview that I saw, with Crosby, Stills and Nash, and Dan Rather, which Dan Rather could be his own separate episode, also, because when we think about how he really got started, how he got to where he was before he retired, the things that he said about JFK and these Pruder film, I mean, just yeah, he was rewarded for his efforts, shall we say? But I saw Crosby, Stills and Nash on this Episode of the Stan rather program and they were talking about how they wanted to really rebel, conscientiously rebel against this 1950s white bread, Ozzie and Harriet style. The 60s was meant to be a reaction to this buttoned up, stodgy, clean cut crew cut kind of 1950s. So dudes wore their hair long and the fashions changed and things went from being like business suit everywhere Dresses for Women and high heels and all of that to something much more casual, something that was antithetical to this white bread Ozzie and Harriet 1950s thing. So we all kind of believe that mean, even people who were alive and well, you sort of say, well, it, it was a reaction to that it was bound to happen. People were bound to rebel, they were bound to react. But is that the case? mean just because that's what we've been told over and over again. Is it really true? Or is it possible as Dave McGowan asserts that the counterculture was invented? Jay Dyer, I'll also be talking about his book, esoteric Hollywood, and I'll drop a link to one of his videos. disclaimer here. You know, I don't get into all of the stuff that he gets into. I know he's been a guest on Infowars. And some people have very strong opinions about that. I'm not saying I wholesale believe everything that Jay Dyer does, I'm just pointing out that he too, has made some connections between the military industrial complex and these intelligence agencies, and Hollywood, as well as the music scene. And there are some very interesting connections there. If you're not aware of this, I would like to enlighten you. Weird scenes inside the canyon. excellent book. I really want to set this up. Also, as a sort of book review. I'm not gonna get way too far into the book because I want you to read it. I want you to make up your own mind and decide for yourself if what Dave McGowan is saying makes sense to you or it doesn't. The foreword was written by Nick Bryant, and I really like it because it crystallizes a lot of what's going on in this book. So if you want something to sort of whet your appetite and tell you where is this going, the foreword by Nick is very good.

In this he writes, Laurel Canyon was the fountainhead for the peace, love and brown rice vibes that overflowed America's airwaves as the Vietnam War raged. But lurking beneath its tie dyed and floor and veneer was an exquisite darkness of drugs, unbridled debauchery, Full Tilt, depravity and shocking carnage. When readers of this book are delivered to Laurel canyons, blood drenched tapestry of murder and mayhem, they will have to decide whether or not those sinister Synchronicities are uncanny coincidences, conspiracies, or perhaps a kaleidoscopic blending of both. Very well said. Now, before I go farther into that book, if you're not familiar with this area, which if you're listening from other parts of the country, other parts of the globe, you may not be. I'm in the law aisle, and I've been out to Hollyweird several times, so I have a good grasp of where this is. If you're not familiar with it, let's go over Wikipedia. Laurel Canyon is a mountainous neighborhood in the Hollywood Hills region of the Santa Monica Mountains within the Hollywood Hills west district of Los Angeles, California. The main thoroughfare of Laurel Canyon Boulevard connects the neighborhood with the more urbanized parts of Los Angeles to the north and south between Ventura Boulevard and Hollywood Boulevard. Laurel Canyon is focused on its central thoroughfare Laurel Canyon Boulevard However, unlike other nearby Canyon neighborhoods, Laurel Canyon has houses lining one side of the main street most of the way up to Mulholland Drive. There are many side roads that branch off the main Canyon, but most are not through streets, reinforcing the self contained nature of the neighborhood and quote, it also reminds us that Laurel Canyon is generally bounded by West Hollywood to the west and south Hollywood to the east and then Studio City to the north. So that should give you at least just a generic pin as to the specific area that Dave McGowan is talking about in this book. Now reading again, from the foreword by Nick Bryant, sprinkled throughout these pages is the ominous specter of the military and intelligence complex and perched quite literally atop Laurel Canyon was the top secret Lookout Mountain Laboratory, which seems to be McGowan's grand metaphor for Dr. Strangelove having a bird's eye view of the nascent hippie movement, treating it as though it were a Petri dish brimming with a lethal biological weapon that could be unleashed in meticulously monitored increments. Indeed, many of Laurel canyons rock and roll idols had former incarnations steeped in the world of military intelligence operations and quote. So let's talk about looking at Mountain for a second if you're not familiar with it. Going back to Wikipedia Lookout Mountain Air Force Station is a formerly used defense site, which today is a private residence of actor Jared Leto in the Laurel Canyon neighborhood of Los Angeles, California. The United States Air Force military installation produced motion pictures and still photographs for the United States Department of Defense and the Atomic Energy Commission from 1947 to 1969. It's also worth noting that they formed a motion picture squadron. And there was no small number of famous people at the time well known Hollywood actors and people who were highly recognizable in their day. So these people include Bob Hope, Jimmy Stewart, James Garner, Gregory Peck, Marvin Miller, Kim Novak and Glen Ford. So it is interesting to contemplate why. Why was there an Air Force Station connected to the DoD in Laurel Canyon? And that's something that Dave McGowan comes back to, throughout this book. Like there are just too many connections of these people who were prominent figures in the hippies and the counterculture and the music and the Hey man, make love not war. A lot. Ironically, quite a few of those people who were saying that out in the public had very overt when you know what, you're looking for overt connections to the military intelligence operation. Interesting. I'm continuing to read now from the foreword by Nick Bryant. Jim Morrison, aka the Lizard King was one such example Mr. Mojo Risin didn't much like to talk about his parents and was even known to tell reporters that his parents were dead. But as it turns out, Lizard King senior was not only alive and well, he just happened to be the commander of the US warships that allegedly came under attack by North Vietnamese torpedo boats in the Gulf of Tonkin, sparking America's napalm fueled bloodbath in Vietnam. Frank Zappa, another major mover and shaker of the Laurel Canyon scene was certainly the raddest of the RAD So surely, he couldn't have had any connections to the military intelligence complex, right? Not exactly. According to various accounts by McGowan Zappa was a pro military autocrat, who didn't really resonate with the counterculture is peace and love vibe. Like the lizard kings dad, Zappa senior was a cog in the intelligence community's dark imaginations. Francis Zappa was a chemical warfare specialist with a top security clearance at Edgewood, near Baltimore, Maryland. Some readers might recognize Edgewood as the location of ominous mind control experiments conducted by the Charlie India Alpha under the rubric of m k Ultra. Isn't that interesting? I bet unless you've read this book unless you have familiarity with this topic already. I bet you didn't know that. I didn't know this till I read David McGowan's book. I'll continue again from this forward. Guilt by familial Association has the potential to be an ill fated formula for speculation but McGowan relates accounts of Laurel Canyon luminaries, whose own hands were possibly awash in the blood of the military intelligence complex. Consider, for example, Papa John Phillips, who penned the smash hit San Francisco imploring 1000s of runaways to make pilgrimage to the to the city by the bay, the son of a Marine Corps, Captain Phillips was among the more prominent fixtures of Laurel Canyon who had a particularly interesting in a relationship with the military machine. Okay, speaking of Crosby, Stills and Nash, you know, I said earlier in the broadcast that I saw this interview where they're talking to Dan Rather, hey, we deliberately wanted to rebel against whitebread 1950s Ozzie and Harriet in America. They come up frequently. In this book, rock superstar Stephen Stills was the co founder of to Laurel Canyon dynamos, Buffalo Springfield, and of course, Crosby, Stills Nash and Young. Surely then hippy icons stills are then hippy icon stills couldn't possibly be in meshed in the military intelligence complex, maybe maybe not. The progeny of yet another military family still spent chunks of his childhood in El Salvador, Costa Rica and Panama, where the US has a history of spreading a genocidal form of democracy. And McGowan has sifted through accounts of stills actually confessing to running around the jungles of Vietnam in the early 1960s. Anecdotes generally dismissed as the author notes as drug fueled delusions and quote, I think this is a really good point, because this is something that I believe we still see today. If an actor or Rockstar tries to say anything negative about how they were treated to Hollywood, weird stuff that they saw weird meetings, they were taken to weird rituals, weird clubs, anything like that, or even if they die I just unexpectedly some actor or actress or rock star falls over dead. You always get the same narrative. Well, it's Hollywood, drugs, alcohol, wild sex, depraved, debauched lifestyles. It's a high risk place where people live high risk lifestyles. So no matter how weird the cause of death may be, or how mundane the cause of death may be, that's always the narrative that you get, oh, this person must have drowned in the bathtub because they were on dope. Or this person must have drowned in their swimming pool because they got drunk as a skunk before they got in there. And everybody believes it. Because why would you not actors, actresses, rock stars, those types of people are pretty well known for partying their asses off. So it seems plausible. If you have a musician saying, Yeah, I actually was in the jungles of Vietnam. My family lived in these places where the intelligence agencies have been known to to have coup d'etat because people will just say, oh, yeah, right. Sure. Okay, well, I'm sure you did guy was that when you were high on LSD or what? So it's very easy to dismiss these people as being crazy as being high out of their mind on dope. In this is an interesting, interesting book. So we, we learn this information about Jim Morrison about John Phillips about Stephen Stills, but you know, obviously, he goes into other people as well. And they also point out just the sheer number of people, not just from the music scene either but actors and actresses who had some household or some connection to Laurel Canyon, which included Warren Beatty, Peter and Jane Fonda Jack Nicholson, speaking of him being Jack Torrance and looking possessed in that movie, Jack Nicholson, Candice Bergen, Marlon Brando, Roman Polanski and Sharon Tate, Peter Lawford. Dennis Hopper, Ryan O'Neal, Mia Farrow, Peter Sellars and Joshua Gabor had connections to Papa John and Mama Michelle Phillips and had also connections to that whole Laurel Canyon scene. And those are prominent Hollywood actors and actresses. Most of you, I'm sure recognize at least some of those names even now. Even in 2024. We know who those people were.

Huh, this is interesting. I want to poke around just a little bit in chapter one. Now we're into Dave McGowan's own words and the chapter is titled funny enough Village of the Damned by way of an introduction. And the byline is Buffalo Springfield lyric there's something happened and here what it is ain't exactly clear. So he talks about the Gulf of Tonkin incident and its potential as a false flag operation and then how Jim Morrison's dad was connected to that. So by extension, Jim Morrison is part of the military intelligence complex. About this, he writes one of the earliest on the Laurel Canyon Sunset Strip scene is Jim Morrison, the enigmatic leader of the doors, Jim will quickly become one of the most iconic, controversial, critically acclaimed and influential figures to take up residence in Laurel Canyon. Curiously enough, though, the self proclaimed Lizard King has another claim to fame as well, albeit one that none of his numerous chroniclers will feel is of much relevance to his career and possibly untimely death. He is the Son as it happens of the Affer mentioned Admiral George Steven Morrison. He also talks about Frank Zappa. I'll read there, though he and his various Mothers of Invention lineups will never attain the commercial success of the band headed by the admiral son. Frank will be a hugely influential figure among his contemporaries. ensconced in an abode dubbed the log cabin, which sat right at the heart of Laurel Canyon at the crossroads of Laurel Canyon Boulevard and Lookout Mountain Ave. Zappa will play host to virtually every musician who passes through the canyon in the mid to late 1960s. He will also discover and sign numerous acts to his various Laurel Canyon based record labels. Many of these acts will be rather bizarre and somewhat obscure characters, but some of them such as psychedelic rocker come shock rocker Alice Cooper will go on to superstardom and quote, later on in the book, he does point out this idea of like Frank Zappa and Alice Cooper workshopping Alice Cooper's character, allegedly, that rock needed a villain, it needed somebody dark, somebody kind of twisted. And that's when Alice Cooper's persona with the long black hair and the black and white kind of makeup was born. Because when you see pictures of him in his musical career before that reinvention, he just looks like a nerdy little dude. You're not seeing this like golf guy with the black and white makeup. So I think that in and of itself, when we think about how But how that kind of image making is done even today. I think it was a pink song where she says something like, will make you famous and all you have to do is change everything that you are. There's, there's this focus on, we've got to be able to package you and sell you a particular way. So there is an element of acting of putting on a persona that comes along with all of this. I'll read just a little bit more. We're still in this first chapter that Dave McGowan has written. Given that Zappa is by various accounts a pro military, rigidly authoritarian control freak, it is perhaps unsurprising that he will not feel a kinship with the youth movement that he will help nurture and it is probably safe to say that Frank's dad also would have had little regard for the youth culture of the 1960s Given that Francis Zappa was in case you were wondering, a chemical warfare specialist assigned to where else the Edgewood Arsenal near Baltimore, Maryland. Edgewood is of course, the longtime home of America's chemical warfare program, as well as a facility frequently cited as being deeply enmeshed in MK Ultra operations. Curiously enough, Frank Zappa literally grew up at the Edgewood arsenal, having lived the first seven years of his life in the military housing on the grounds of the facility in quote. So why would somebody, if you think about somebody being pro military, originally authoritarian, not even really liking this hippie counterculture movement? Why would somebody like that be involved in it? And then we see these ties to MK Ultra. Does that really needs to be its own separate episode or episodes. But you're talking about a Mind Control Program, you're talking about brainwashing. So let's just ponder that point. For a minute. I'm going to take another sip of ginger ale. Why would somebody like that be involved in this counterculture movement, and play a prominent role in discovering act and signing acts and then helping them come up with their caricature? If nothing else, that sounds odd. It strikes me a little bit weird. I'm gonna read a little bit more. Zappa's manager is a shadowy character by the name of herb Cohen, who had come out to LA from the Bronx with his brother Mudd just before the music and club scene began heating up. Cohen, a former US Marine had spent a few years traveling the world before his arrival on the Laurel Canyon scene. Those travels curiously had taken him to the Congo in 1961. At the very time that leftist Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba was being tortured and killed by our very own Charlie in the Alpha. Not to worry though, according to one of Zappos biographers, Cohen wasn't in the Congo on some kind of nefarious intelligence mission. No, he was there on the contrary, to supply arms to Lumumba in defiance of the Charlie India alpha, because, you know, that is the kind of thing that globe trotting ex Marines did in those days in quote. So if you follow me from my daytime business podcast, you know that I have talked before about the death of dag hammer sholde and the crashing of his plane, the Albertina, as well as the untimely demise of Patrice Lumumba. And the confession allegedly that Daphne Park made to Baron Lee or LEA, I'm not sure how it's pronounced. We did it. Yeah, the Brits were responsible for that. We did it. We did it. This is an interesting tangled web of folk, is it not? So then, Dave McGowan goes on to talk about how Frank's wife Gail, who apparently I guess the real name was Adelaide. Sloman had come from a line of career Navy officers, and that her father had spent part of his career working on classified nuclear weapons. A lot of military intelligence connections here for a hippie movement that was supposed to be against all of that. It's very weird. We also learned that Gail had attended a naval kindergarten class with Jim Morrison. And that she had had apparently at one point said that she was like psychic, or she had heard voices all of her life. This is this is a very I keep coming back to the same conclusion. Right? This is a very weird group of folk. He talks about how John Phillips, who was in the Mamas and Papas, was the son of a US Marine Corps captain, and that his mother claimed to have some sort of psychic and telekinetic powers, and he himself had been to a military prep school in DC. Here we go again, more more ties to the military. John was married to Susie Adams who said she was a direct descendant of founding Father, John Adams. Apparently John Phillips also claimed that he had gone to Havana. He said that he had gone not in any type of official capacity, he had just gone as a, quote, a concern private citizen, with the intention of fighting for Castro. Obviously, we don't know if that's true or not, but in light of things like the Cuban Missile Crisis, and then the various attempts that we know our own government wanted to do against Castro, that seems rather odd, you know, I mean, a rock star going to Cuba buddy's gonna help Castro but then he has all of these ties to the military. Seems weird, doesn't it? So Dave McGowan goes on to talk about Stephen Stills being the product of another military family, and having been in El Salvador, Costa Rica, the Panama Canal Zone and other parts of Central America. He claimed that he had even worked for the government in Vietnam, but people just assumed that he was crazy. He was drunk. Maybe it was some kind of drug delusion that he had. David Crosby, who was also part of Crosby, Stills and Nash had a military family as well as a really interesting, genealogical tree. He was connected to the world war two military intelligence officer, major Floyd, Delafield, Crosby. And he there were, you know, some very interesting travels that his family had been part of. He's a direct descendant of the founding fathers, and people like Alexander Hamilton and John J.

Hmm. But yet part of the hippie counterculture. He mentions that Jackson Brown's father was assigned to post war reconstruction in Germany, and could possibly have been part of the OSS, which was a precursor to the modern day, Charlie, India Alpha. By the way, this I don't think is mentioned in Dave McGowan's book. But I was interested to read that William Hopper, you know, if you've ever watched Perry Mason, the reruns are on almost constantly. He had been part of the OSS. And like, wait a minute, Paul Drake from Perry Mason was some kind of spy some kind of OSS guy with the Hill. Again, what an interesting connection that we have here between the intelligence operations in the military and Hollywood. Okay, so Brown's father was assigned to post war reconstruction work in Germany. And Jackson Browne was born in a military hospital in Heidelberg, Germany. How it's like, how does this keep happening? How do we keep seeing the same story repeating over and over again, throughout the book, I mean, he names names, and he gets into some very interesting topics, I highly recommend reading the book, and making up your own mind. Before I leave weird scenes inside the canyon, I want to just read this one last snippet from the first chapter. All these folks gathered nearly simultaneously along the narrow winding roads of Laurel Canyon, they came from across the country, although the Washington DC area was noticeably over represented, as well as from Canada and England, and in at least one case, all the way from Nazi Germany. They came even though at the time there was no music industry in Los Angeles. They came even though at the time there was no live music scene to speak of. They came even though in retrospect, there was no discernible reason for them to do so. And quote, and throughout the book, he really does push back on some of the stories. And like, weird Oh, we just happened to be there at the same time. Oh, we just happen to see each other Oh, and it was just like magic. It was just Kismat. He really, I think make some very coherent and compelling arguments about how it wasn't just complete. Oh my gosh, whimsy, that all of these people converged on that area and invented what we know of now as the counterculture. There's a video that I will drop a link to where Jay Dyer is giving a lecture. I'm not completely sure where he is. There's a lot of weird noise going on in the background. The Times it sounds like something's running a buzzsaw and power tools is like where is he when this video is taking place. But he does talk about Laurel Canyon, he talks about the 60s and the counterculture. The video itself is titled Laurel Canyon, Charlie, India alpha and social engineering. And one of the things he mentions is I think, worth it for me to mention here which is there were plenty of people involved in political protests and anti war movements that they were not part of any conspiracy. They weren't trying to do mind can troll or manipulation, they genuinely wanted to protest the Vietnam War, they genuinely wanted to protest some kind of injustice. And he points out in this video that like it one of the Qin state protests, there were scientists watching and taking notes, like observing the way that these people behaved. And he talks in this video more so about like transhumanism, breaking people down so that there's no longer there's no longer like these individual drives, you just really become part of the hive mind. And that we see strains of that going through like LSD, Timothy Leary, and some of these like, hey, just tune out and drop acid. And it's whatever man and the vid the videos we're taking a look at now he gets more specifically into Laurel Canyon at about the 27 minute mark. But I did I meant something to me to say like there were people who were not intentionally part of the manipulation, they were sincere in what they were doing. I agree with what Jay is saying that upon closer examination, some of these musical groups, some of these artists and these actors were co opted and steered. So publicly, they might be condemning these intelligence agencies, the military what we were doing in Vietnam, but then, in reality, they were in bed with those same organizations that they publicly denounced. As Jay says an American controlled opposition would appear to take many forms. I really feel like that hits the nail on the head. I don't want to bury my thesis. Since this is an after hours episode, I'm more willing to share my opinion than I would be on my daytime broadcast. I think that's it. I think that for me, after having read David McGowan's book and really giving it some thought it's like this appears to be controlled oppo. It appears to be the illusion of choice. Let the peons have their protests, they can burn their bras, they can do whatever, that's fine. But it's not going to really change anything. It gives you the illusion of choice and it gives you the illusion that you're that you're moving forward. Really, the car is still in the driveway and the keys not even in the ignition, but you have the illusion that you're driving down the highway and you're really doing something meaningful. Think about what this looks like in modernity with the armchair warriors, and the Monday morning quarterbacks like well, you know, if I put this flag on my social media, or if I put a certain icon or a certain emoji, then I'm really showing solidarity. I'm really being an ally. I'm really helping. And it's like you're not doing a damn thing. Putting up a flag or an emoji on your social media profile. That does jack shit for anybody get real. But it's that same illusion. It's the illusion that you're doing something that's like when somebody says well, thoughts and prayers as opposed to what? In J Dyer's book esoteric Hollywood, he has a chapter titled The Charlie India alpha and Hollywood a dark marriage. He has his picture of the Hollywood sign and then the logo for the Charlie India alpha. And under it. He's written Best Friends Forever, which I think is hilarious. In this, he writes, In short, the Pentagon and the Charlie India alpha are intimately involved in Hollywood, for the purpose of culture creation and social engineering, when a button for a minute and say he also talks in that video about the social engineering component of all of this. And I think for me, that's, that's something else that Dave McGowan gets into in this idea of the counterculture being invented. Okay, if it was invented, who invented and then why? What's the motivation to do that? I think sometimes, and this is my opinion, and could be wrong. I think sometimes it gets into predictive programming. And it gets into the idea of getting you used to something, seeing it on film or hearing it in a song seeing it on a television show, getting you accustomed to the idea of that taking place. I will record a future episode about Snowden and Glenn Greenwald's books. I've recorded some information about that on my daytime podcast, but my personal theory, which could be wrong, it's just my theory and it could be wrong, could be totally way off. My personal theory is that it seems a little bit weird that that leak happened. I mean, there's all of this Sturman drawing and cloak and dagger around, making sure that he didn't get caught and a lot of subterfuge. I mean, the story that Glenn Greenwald tells about even trying to get somewhere to meet Snowden to find out what information he had. It sounds like something out of a John le Carre novel or Ian Fleming. It's interesting stuff. I personally believe that we were allowed to know this leak was allowed to happen as predictive programming because it got everybody used to being surveilled. 24/7 365. Younger generations absolutely accept it. They can't remember a time when you weren't super glued to a device, and people didn't always know where you were and what you were doing. And so it is, I think, with the counterculture. Coming back to this question, is the counterculture real and organic, or was it orchestrated? I feel like my opinion and it could be wrong after reading David McGowan's book Yes, it was orchestrated, it was not an organic movement. And it was done. So to give people controlled opposition, the illusion of choice, while all at the same time, you're being carefully corralled, you're being carefully manipulated, and the information that you're allowed access to is carefully curated. I'll read just a little bit more here from esoteric Hollywood, but is more at work here. The film industry has always loved tales of espionage. But in reality, the creation and manufacturing of a completely alternate reality in history is far more extensive than most would assume. While many films have nobly challenged assumptions about war and figures like Kubrick or stone, for the most part, film has function as one of the most powerful forms of propaganda in the western establishments, Arsenal. I think that's true. And I think we can also see that in the music industry, as well. I mean,

why why would all of these figures that were involved in the military, industrial and military intelligence complex be involved in shaping the 1960s so called anti war anti Vietnam counterculture? That is weird. Again, one more briefly. passage from esoteric Hollywood. The Charlie India Alpha has long had a special relationship with the entertainment industry devoting considerable attention to fostering relationships with Hollywood movers and shakers, studio executives, producers, directors, big name actors. John Rizzo, the former acting Charlie India Alpha General Counsel wrote in his new book company man, the Charlie India alpha also recruits actors to give more visibility to propaganda projects abroad, such as a documentary secretly produced by the agency, Rizzo said, and the agency sometimes takes advantage of the door opening cachet that movie stars and other American celebrities enjoy. A star who met a world leader, for example might be asked for details about that meeting. The Charlie in the Alpha has officials assigned full time to the care and feeding of Hollywood assets, Rizzo wrote other former Charlie India Alpha Officials added that some of those operatives work in the Los Angeles office of an agency Department called the National Resources Division, which recruits people in the US to help America spy abroad and quote, I feel like this is not outside the realms of possibility. Not at all. Not at all. And it makes you think about the repercussions and then the continuing it forward. If the 1960s counterculture was an invention. It wasn't this organic grassroots movement to rebel against 1950s whitebread. Ozzie and Harriet, but it was deliberately done and it was curated in a specific way. What are they doing now? There's a point for you to ponder. Highly recommend Dave McGowan's book weird scenes inside the canyon. I will drop a link to the Amazon links where you can purchase or read weird scenes inside the canyon. Same thing I will do for J Dyer's book esoteric Hollywood and my daytime broadcast. I always say stay safe, stay sane, and I will see you in the next episode. It might be alright for you to stay a little crazy on the nighttime broadcast. Maybe you need to stay a little insane and go check these books out for yourself. But I will see you in the next episode.

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