Episode 46: JFK - The Men Who Killed Kennedy - "The Witnesses"

Episode 5: "The Witnesses"

Mary Woodward, who was a Dallas reporter and a witness to JFK's murder, talks about the loss of naivete and innocence that happened on November 22nd. What more than that? I suspect we lost more than people know.

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Transcript

Transcription by Otter.ai.  Please forgive any typos!

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

conspiracy theories, JFK assassination, Beverly Oliver, Philip Willis, Mary Woodward, Warren Commission, far-right extremists, Oswald scapegoat, Kennedy's legacy, mainstream media, Vietnam War, military industrial complex, autopsy discrepancies, grassy knoll, House Select Committee

Welcome to con-sara-cy theories. Are you ready to ask questions you shouldn't and find information you're not supposed to know? Well, you're in the right place. Here is your host, Sara Causey.

Hello, hello, and thanks for tuning in. In tonight's episode, I will be talking about episode five of the men who killed Kennedy, which was titled The witnesses. It was released on October 25 1991 as I always say, if you have not watched this series for yourself, I would highly encourage you to do so, take a look at it, Judge for yourself what you think. If you need to download this episode and come back to it, or bookmark it and come back to it, please do that. But I really would encourage you to watch this Docuseries for yourself and make up your own mind. In the meantime, got my can of ginger ale. Here you and I will saddle up and take this ride. They start this episode with bittersweet footage of the motorcade going through Dallas school children waving with signs and banners, everybody looking pretty happy. It was basically a really nice, friendly scene, until all of a sudden it wasn't in terms of the witnesses, they begin again with Beverly Oliver, and as I've said in previous episodes, different people have different opinions about Beverly. Some people believe she's 100% the Babushka Lady. She's telling the truth. Other people don't think so. You must judge for yourself. It's not my place to tell you what to think I have said before that I personally am skeptical. I can't say it's not her, and I can't say it is based on the photographs that I've seen of the Babushka Lady. And then Beverly saying that she would have been 17 or 18 at the time the photos that I've seen, it just doesn't look like a woman that young To me, the Babushka Lady looks like she's probably middle aged, a dark haired, middle aged woman. And it's hard for me to think that a 17 or 18 year old, young girl, barely an adult, if that would appear that way in a photograph. But hey, I could be wrong. They speak again to Philip Willis, along with his wife and daughter, they were witnesses, and I think Philip Willis also had testified for the Warren Commission, and he's very clear in this interview for the men who killed Kennedy that he believes the fatal shot came from the right and the front. Does not believe there's any way that it could have come from the School Book Depository behind the motorcade, Mary Woodward, who we've also talked about in previous episodes, who was a reporter at the time, she says that the car slowed down that you would think after the first shot rang out, they would have sped up and just drove like hell to get out of there, but they didn't. And when you look at the Zapruder film, you will also see that that's the case. And I'm going to put in an editorial comment here, even though, really my purpose in doing these episodes is to just review the material in this Docu series, I do want to put an editorial comment here. I've talked on my blog before. You know, there are people who really want to get away from the idea that any official entity or agency had anything to do with the murder of JFK, they might say that it was rogue elements, maybe, but I've noticed this push of well, it could have been right wing extremists. In fact, there's a man named James day who, on medium had written an article saying it wasn't the Charlie India alpha, it was probably far right extremists. We're still dealing with those types of people today, but it's just not as sexy to look at people like Neo Nazis, Klansmen, John Birch Society, the Minutemen, etc. Okay, I go back to some of the same arguments that people like Mark lane and Jim Garrison made over the years. Let's say that it was a group of far right extremist nut backs that decided to take Kennedy out the subsequent cover up, the coordination of events to happen the way that they did, and then the subsequent cover up, and the blame it on Oswald. Let's make sure that we have this already sheep dipped guy ready to go, who appears to be a Castro sympathizer, fair play for Cuba communist nut ball. We'll have him primed and ready to go as our scapegoat, and we'll make sure that no matter how the evidence does not point to that guy, it's going to be that guy. I find it hard to believe that fringe right wing extremists could coordinate the. Whole thing on their own, and then also have a subsequent cover up of it. And what Mary's talking about with the car. She feels haunted by what she saw that day, because why didn't the car speed up? I want you to ask that question to yourself, why would that have been the case? There are some angles where you can see brake lights on That's fucked up. Pardon my language, this is a nighttime broadcast, and we're all adults here, like we're having a pine at the pub That's fucked up. That should not have happened. Philip Willis had also taken a series of photographs, and I'll drop a link so that you can check them out for yourself. In this interview, he talks about dropping the film off and then hearing the radio coverage. He also talks about having to go to another area and throw up and be sick because of what they had just seen. He says he often wonders and is haunted by this idea of how things might have been different had that murder not happened. Unfortunately, I think in modernity, you're not even supposed to ask that question or contemplate it really nowadays, you're supposed to think that Kennedy was a piece of trash, a sex obsessed, awful, overrated piece of crap. Fortunately, so far, the American public has not largely bought into that narrative. But it's not for a lack of trying on the mainstream media and their little paid shills part to get people to think all he did was 24/7 penis. He was slow on the uptake for civil rights. He didn't really want to help out people of color. He didn't want to really do anything positive. If he did do anything positive, it basically happened on accident, because the guy was just an overall piece of shit. I don't personally believe all of that, but that seems to be a narrative that gets pushed awfully hard. And as I have predicted before, I really think where that road is leading is an eventual confession or an eventual revelation. Maybe a document gets declassified 100 years from now, and it becomes clear what really happened. But it won't matter so much, because, hey, we did y'all a favor. He was trashy. He was junk. So it's kind of not so bad that he got killed in broad daylight. Mary Woodward, the reporter, talks about going from being young and idealistic to after that day, losing that idealism and that naivete. I think that happens to all of us. I have written before, using the analogy of like the Donald Fagen song. IG, why? Along with Don Henley song, the end of the innocence, I think every generation gets some kind of IG, why? Moment, and then every generation also gets some kind of end of the innocence moment too. So the IG Why was about the International Geophysical Year, which ran from July 1, 1957 to December 31 1958 and it was supposed to be at least enough of a detente that there would be scientific sharing, the international scientific community would share information and have an interchange. And you know, in the song, he talks about what a beautiful world this will be. By 76 will be a Okay, and what a beautiful world this will be, what a glorious time to be free. And I think for me, my IG why moment as an excer was in 89 when the wall came down. The Berlin Wall came down, seeing people knocking down chunks of the wall and embracing each other and holding hands. It just seemed like, yeah, man, the iron curtain is coming down. And then a few years later, when the Soviet Union disbanded and these countries started to get some of their autonomy back. It was like, Yay, democracy is won out. Yay, freedom, glasnost. Deep Berry, stroika. This is great. And then for me, personally, my end of the innocence moment came with 911, I just thought, this is not the world that I thought I lived in. I guess I just had this idea of safety, that this just doesn't happen in America. This wouldn't happen on American soil to this degree.

And that's a whole other deeper subject for another time, but I get what Mary is saying, I think you arrive at some point in life, whether it's some event that takes you there, or just the course of watching one thing after another after another that wears you down, I think you arrive at that conclusion. For me, there's no difference between the donkey and the elephant, the red and the blue. They're all just piggies who eat out of the same trough of slop. We're given this choice, but it's not really a choice, because, you know, corporate America is going to win. Wall Street's going to win, the military industrial complex, slash military intelligence complex, is going to win. There's precious little that John and Jane Q Public can do, really, and I don't get on here. Like, in my opinion, what I consider to be controlled opposition. And tell you, the globalists are really quaking in their boots. They're really scared of John and Jane Q Public, right? Of course, they are. She also mentions the quote that tragedy unremembered is a profound sin. I want to go back and read the full quote from Saul Pett in 1964 there is implicit in all human tragedy a waste, a pointlessness. Tragedy unobserved is even more pointless, but tragedy unremembered surely must rank with profound sin. I'm a Gen Xer, as I said. I was not alive in 63 I have no first hand memory of Kennedy as president, Kennedy as a senator, Kennedy being murdered in broad daylight. I just I physically didn't exist in this time, space, dimension at that point in time. And I feel like as as history moves us on, as time goes on and on and on, it always falls on the future generations to keep a certain event or to keep certain memories, to keep certain people alive, to question history, to probe it, to be willing to slaughter the sacred cows when necessary. I agree, though, with that idea that a tragedy unremembered is a pretty profound sin, and I wonder sometimes how far into the future that we will get when people stop remembering that that awful thing happened. Sometimes as x ers, we get criticized. You know, I've seen some old farts. I feel like I'm allowed to say that, because if you're going to throw mud at me, I can throw it back. I feel like old farts look at Gen X, and they say, Well, this idiotic generation, they watched Oliver Stone's movie JFK and they took it as literal fact. And I'm like, Why don't you speak for yourself? I didn't watch Oliver Stone's film JFK and take it as complete fact. My feeling about it was, if even a scintilla of this is actually true, we need to start asking a hell of a lot more questions. But I didn't sit there and assume I was watching a play by play historical documentary. I knew I was watching a Hollywood film. Another criticism that gets lobbed at us is, well, you weren't actually alive. Your opinion doesn't count because you weren't there. Oh, really. Well, does that mean we should forget about what happened in World War One. World War Two. What happened to the civil in the Civil War? What happened to Abraham Lincoln? What happened with the founding fathers of this country? What happened when Julius Caesar was murdered? I mean, by that yardstick, you shouldn't be able to have an opinion about anything historical that happened. If it didn't happen in your lifetime? We'd have to throw out volumes and volumes of human history. If that be the case, it's just one of those silly things that the minute you challenge it, logically, it falls apart. They also revisit Paul Peters and Robert McClellan, who were at Parkland when Kennedy was taken there. They both have the same story of seeing a large wound in the back of the head that appeared to be an exit wound. Aubrey Reich, who is an ambulance driver slash Funeral Home worker, he talks about the scene as well as the doctors. A priest comes in to administer the final rights, and Jackie is trying to get the ring off of Jack's finger. And Aubrey Reich talks about picking up the body and the back of the head feeling like a wet sponge. Sorry. I know this is graphic, but I think it's worth knowing what really actually happened that day. Officer JD Tippett is also shot and killed, and Oswald goes into the Texas theater without paying. The police get into the theater and they apprehend him. There, we hear the story again of the police going to Ruth Payne's house, finding these photos of Oswald holding a boom stick along with leftist propaganda magazines. There's the story about the bed roll. Oh yeah, he has a boom stick. It's out here in this blanket. Oh no, the blankets empty. One of the police officers says that during Oswald's interrogation, he says that he's never owned a boom stick in his life. So they present the photograph to him, and he says, allegedly, well, that must just be my head superimposed on somebody else's body the Foxtrot Bravo India agent hosty talks about speaking to Oswald about boom sticks. And of course, Oswald denied having any type of boom stick there that day, but said a couple of days before, truly, the building manager had actually brought a boom stick into the building. He was gonna go deer hunting, and so he had brought a weapon into the building to show other people in the building, which, I mean, just seems a little bit oddly coincidental given what happened on Friday of that same week. You know, if that's true. So that seems to be pretty weird. Oswald is put into a series of police lineups, and from what we're told, the lineups didn't exactly sound like fair and normal protocol. They sort of made Oswald stick out like a sore thumb. He also had to step forward and give his real name and his occupation. So like supposedly, in one of the lineups, it was police officers who lied about their names and occupations, and then Oswald comes forward like I'm Lee Harvey Oswald, and I work in the Texas School Book Depository, and it was being done when the information was being widely disseminated already that he was the guy we're also told of the story where Oswald, or was it Oswald? Oswald, or someone pretending to be Oswald, goes to Mexico City and he's trying to get a visa to go the Soviet Union. When that doesn't work, he's trying to get a visa to go to Cuba. He gets denied. Now, hosty claims that whenever he's questioning Oswald about that trip to Mexico City, Oswald became flustered, kind of angry, and is like, Well, how did you know about that? The official story is that Oswald had met with this man named Valery Costa COVID, who supposedly was a KGB agent in charge of political murders. The funny thing about this, though, is that in a letter that allegedly was written by Oswald, he refers to him as comrade Costin. So it's like, if you're really in touch with somebody from the KGB that's in charge of political murders, couldn't you at least get the name, right? It just seems a little bit weird. But hey, this is yet another. It's like a one giant mound of one thing after another after another that doesn't make any sense, or that just seems fishy, according to this agent, hosty, if people knew, if people knew that Oswald had been talking to the KGB in particular, having talking to this specific KGB agent that was in charge of political murders, it would have set off World war three. We're also told by hosty that Charlie India Alpha agents wanted to investigate whether there could have been a link between Oswald and Castro, ie maybe Castro had something to do with the murder of President Kennedy, but that they're shut down. They're told to stop investigating, and he even implies that RFK may have had something to do with telling these agents not to investigate a potential link between Oswald and Castro. Ruth Payne claims that Oswald called twice while he was being detained. The first time he calls to ask if she'll try to get hold of a lawyer that he wants to represent him because he he didn't have legal counsel the way that somebody is supposed to. And then he called back later to talk to Marina, and she said that Oswald just acted like he was calling any other day to her. It seems like he was just detached from the gravity of everything that was going on around him. Oswald is said to be moved to the county jail. Of course, we all know what happens when that event takes place. Ruby comes out from the crowd. Murders, Oswald. Oswald goes to parthen Hospital. Paul Peters, one of the doctors who was with Kennedy when he was murdered, is now with Oswald. Oswald doesn't survive the injury and passes away. And we're told that Marina Oswald's wife, and then Marguerite Oswald's mother, wanted to see his body after he died and that he had like, a bit of water or a tear in one eye, and they wanted to know if he was crying when he passed away. And they're told that, no, he didn't. They interview Paul O'Connor, he was one of the autopsy technicians at Bethesda during the weird, messed up, crazy autopsy that takes place on Kennedy's body. Now we're told at this point about yet another discrepancy. So we have McClellan, Dr McClellan, talking about Kennedy's arrival at Parkland and how he's there's a slit that's cut for the tracheotomy so that, you know, a tube can be put down the windpipe to assist breathing. And one of the doctors says that there had been a small hole there, you know, about the size of, like the tip of your pinky finger. And of course, this is damaged, that bit of potential evidence is damaged due to that wound that has to be or the incision, I should say, that has to be made for the tracheotomy, or tracheostomy, so that they can attempt to assist Kennedy's breathing. Now, Paul O'Connor tells an interesting story about what he sees by the time that the body makes it to Bethesda. Paul O'Connor claims that when the body gets to Bethesda, it's a large, what he calls a blowout wound, and it's nothing like what is being described to us at Parkland, where there would have been something very small, about the size of the tip of your pinky finger, and then a clean incision line where a surgeon or. An emergency room doctor would have made, you know, a precise incision to be able to insert a breathing tube to assist with breathing. Paul O'Connor also describes it as being, quote, a big mess. O'Connor also claims that there was no effort to trace trajectory, which, normally, if you have someone who's the victim of a shooting, and you're doing the autopsy, that's an important question to answer. Where did the bullets come from? What's the entrance wound? What's the exit wound? What trajectory does it take through the body? Using the laws of physics, you can then start to go back and approximate where the pop popper was, when that happened, according to O'Connor, none of that was done, and there was a sense of it doesn't need to be done. It doesn't matter. O'Connor also talks about how he's called into an office several days later and told that he has to sign a document saying that he won't divulge any information about what happened or what he saw, and the penalty of breaking that is a court martial. David Lifton talks about this in his book best evidence. There was a period of time where, until that court martial, that document was lifted. Anybody who signed it, I'm sure, was in great fear. But why would you run the risk of having some sort of federal court martial come after you? Just have to keep your mouth shut. They interview Cyril wecht, who's been a very vocal critic of the way that the autopsy was done, the way that the body was handled, and I'm in agreement with him, if you could really duplicate the results of just having one person with a boom stick from the sixth floor of the book depository, and you really could have a magic bullet that defies the laws of physics, okay, but thus far, that hasn't happened. The researcher Gary Mack tells the story of a man on the grassy knoll who was dressed fairly well, and when he's confronted by police, he pulls out some kind of identification, says, Hey, I'm Secret Service. So they just leave him alone. They assume he's telling the truth and they leave him alone. However, to the best of our knowledge, there wasn't anybody that was legit secret service that was stationed on the grassy knoll in Dealey Plaza. The Secret Service agents were all with the motorcade. Gary Mack also tells us that there was some kind of interference that occurs through the Dallas Police Department communication system, and it lasts shortly before the murder takes place, and then for several minutes after the murder has occurred, we learned that there was a sort of open mic, for lack of a better term, like an open an open channel, from I believe, one of the motorcycle officers that was in Dealey Plaza, and the House Select Committee is able to get a hold of that recording, and based on their acoustical analysis, there's at least four shots that were fired, maybe even six. We're also reminded that the House Select Committee concluded that, yeah, there probably was a conspiracy involved in the murder of JFK. Now we're not going to say who it was. We don't know, and it probably wasn't like some grand level, high level conspiracy. But, I mean, yeah, there probably was a conspiracy. I think that's one of the things that gets carefully sidestepped by Warren Commission Report apologists, people that are like, Nope, it was Oswald. He acted alone. There was no conspiracy. Case closed. End of story. It's like, well, then why would the House Select Committee years later do their do their investigation and say, Yeah, I mean, probably there was a conspiracy. I mean, what would be the point in that? Why wouldn't they just go along with the typical bullshit kabuki theater that we get in this country and say, No, the Warren Commission Report got it right. They were correct all along. End of End of story. No need to probe any further. What would be the necessity of it? Instead? They're like, No, it probably was a conspiracy guys. Robert Groden, who's an investigator slash researcher. I mean, he, I think he threads the needle pretty well, because he's talking about Kennedy's political enemies at that time, people that were upset about the handling of the Bay of Pigs, ultra right wingers, and then Ultra right wingers within these organizations. I think that's important to note, because when you have authors that say, well, it was probably the right wing that did it. It was probably the radical right yeah, but don't you think they had help? Do you really think they did it completely on their own and then orchestrated the cover up completely on their own? I like to blame shit on Nazis as much as the next guy. Nazi ideology is a fucked up cancer. It just destroys everything that it touches. They would have to have had help with the cover up component. And I think I'm trying to be careful here. I think what people don't want to admit, what they what they don't even want to explore, is the possibility that those elements exist. They exist. Had been in 63 and they still exist and persist today. Meanwhile, all you have to do is take a look at things like a paper clip and opera Soviet him. The Soviets didn't have their hands clean either. So even though we get this propaganda about the rodina and matuskara sia faciism, we're going to beat back the Nazis. We're gonna get rid of the Nazi threat. They imported Nazis too. It's just It gives people a headache. They don't want to think about it. They don't want to imagine the possibility that that type of ideology exists, and it exists in some very high places. So we have angry Cubans that were upset about the Bay of Pigs. You have mobsters that felt double crossed by Kennedy or that hated RFK, if you cut off the head, then the tail will disappear as well. You got that theory floating around Ultra right wingers, and then also Ultra right wing elements that were already within the government itself. The researcher Harold Weisberg points a finger at the military intelligence, slash military industrial complex, as he says, there's this idea that the agency doesn't make policy, but that's not true. They actually make policy all of the time. As Weisberg expounds, he feels that the people that had the most to gain were the ones that did not want peace, people that were making fortunes in the engines of war. I would add to that, you also had people that were making fortunes in big business and in oil and gas. And so when you have Kennedy talking about the oil depletion allowance, and you have him pushing back at points in time against big business. You know, that pissed some of these high rollers off. I mean, I come back to this thesis over and over again, if you want to say, well, who were the people that didn't like Kennedy, maybe even didn't like him enough to really be happy when he was dead and gone? The line forms over there, and it's going to wrap around the block multiple times, you know, and then people wonder, Well, why is it now that he has one of the highest posthumous retrospective approval ratings of any US President? Hmm, do you think maybe it could be because average Joe, average John and J, and Q Public don't want all these fucking mores. Do you think maybe they're tired of that shit? Do you think maybe they're tired of being unmercifully raped by corporate America and Wall Street? Hmm? Do you think maybe that could be why they interview Senator Yarborough, who was in the motorcade that day, and he says that he's of the opinion that if Kennedy had lived there would have been no Vietnam War. But see, that's something else that you're not supposed to say in modern times. Really. It doesn't matter if you're on the right or if you're on the left, you're supposed to paint Kennedy as a bloodthirsty war hawk. Now look, I understand that he left himself wide open for criticism when it came to rampant philandering. And could he have acted faster on civil rights issues than he did? Yes, he could have. I get that he left himself wide open for criticism. I personally don't give a shit if he was out having a bunch of sex with whoever, grown men or grown women, either one, I don't care, as long as they were consenting adults. I really do not give a shit if he was out using his penis all the time. Don't care. But the one thing that I can say is that people who are trying to portray him as a bloodthirsty war hawk that he was just, oh man, his finger was itching. He couldn't wait to hit that red button and obliterate half the world. I don't know how in the hell they get there. I mean, I guess if somebody is paying them to say those things, and they're having to twist their logic into a giant pretzel, maybe, or they're threatened, maybe, if it's like, hey, we have blackmail photos. We know what you were doing, we know where you've been, and we will release them to the public and totally destroy you unless you try to destroy Kennedy's legacy. Maybe that's it. I don't know. Something else that Yarborough talks about is the number of people who came back, not only injured, but addicted to drugs, people that came back with severe addiction problems, mental problems, people that were here stateside protesting and the the turmoil and the Sturm und Drang that happened because of that war, maybe we could have escaped all of that. I mean, it's his thesis that had Kennedy lived, none of that crap would have ever even happened. Harold Weisberg points out that foreign policy pretty much changed on a dime before the body was even cold in the ground. It was time to have a revaluation of the revaluation of Vietnam. Yarborough says that Kennedy represented a sense of hope and an uplift. And then we have Weisberg saying that whenever the Warren Commission report came out, you start to have disappointment and cynicism. Robert Groden points out that really the biggest ally that this conspiracy, this cover up and the Warren report, et cetera, have had has been America. In mainstream media, I concur with that. Mean, this is really where we get the idea of, if you just question it, if you just say, I don't really think it happened that way. I have, I have some questions that remain unanswered. You're a kook, you're a freak, you're a weirdo. And in modern times, you automatically get thrown into the camp of right wingers. You know, there are some people that really piss me off, because they equate, like, if you have questions about what happened to with the murder of JFK and the autopsy and the Warren Commission report, if you question the official narrative, you're automatically a right winger, which I am not. They also say that you're automatically a supporter of the orange man. You're automatically Maga, you're automatically Q Anon, like you are the problem. And I'm like, well, first of all, fuck you. Don't put that shit on me. I mean, some of the first people to question the Warren Commission report were on the left. They are people that, if they were alive today, would have nothing to do with Orange Man and Maga or Q anon. I'm not sitting out here saying that I think JFK, Jr is still alive and he's one day going to step forward and reveal himself as Q or that there's some secret group of freedom fighters, or whatever the hell that exist, and they're going to take over the government, and it's all going to be okay, and as long as you're involved with Q Anon, then you'll be part of the movement that's coming. I don't believe any of that. I don't think it's fair to lump people into these categories, if you just simply say, I have difficulty believing that Oswald acted alone with a crappy mail order boom stick from the sixth floor of the Book Depository after seeing the Zapruder film. I don't think any rational person could believe that the kill shot came from behind the motorcade, if you just say that, that shouldn't automatically be a ticket into mega and Q anon and far right white supremacy crazy town, if, in fact, there were elements of far right crazy town people involved in the Pop Pop they're really doing a good job with Disinformation and Propaganda when you think about it, because now the people that get labeled far right crazies are the one who are like, Wait a minute. What the fuck I'm tired of seeing his legacy being besmirched, and I'm tired of people saying that if you question the official narrative, you must be a right wing crazy. It's the tail is wagging the dog here. Doesn't even make any sense. The right wing crazies are the one telling you that you are right wing crazy. If you question the official narrative, it makes no sense. Harold Weisberg also makes a really important point here. He talks about, like late night talk shows, people on the fringe that were willing to give a voice to conspiracy theorists were really the only place where you could go to sort of disseminate your ideas to anybody. And there's this push towards bringing people on that really had kooky, wacky, bizarro ideas, someone that had a logical theory that made sense. They were actually the ones that were derided the most. Weisberg concludes that the system failed. The system failed when the murder happened, and then the system failed when the cover up of that murder occurred. I feel like this was one of the more down to earth. Is the phrase that's coming to my mind. Meaty is another one. I mean, some of the episodes of this Docu series get kind of tawdry, kind of crazy, especially by the time that we get to the episode about the alleged party at Clint murchison's house, and the things that Judith very Baker said that she and Oswald were working on that other people had no idea what they were doing. And it's super creepy and crazy. We can, we can get into some very strange territory. This episode, for me, seemed very down to earth, very matter of fact. Here's what the witnesses say that they saw, here's what Paul O'Connor alleges happened at Bethesda. Here's what the Parkland doctors say that they saw. And then the researchers are saying, trying to present any kind of contrary theory got you labeled as a kook, and you couldn't even get any kind of normal audience to even listen to it. It's funny how things change. But then they still say this. They still say, stay the same. Mean, we see the same kind of thing happening. Now, if you don't believe the official narrative, then you're a kook and a right wing conspiracy theorist, but what do you think? Check this episode out for yourself. Draw your own conclusions, stay a little bit crazy, and I will see you in the next episode.

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