Episode 50: JFK - The Men Who Killed Kennedy - "The Smoking Gûns"

Episode 7: "The Smoking Gûns"

Edited testimonies of witnesses and journalists. Evidence destroyed. Altered autopsy photos. The story of John Liggett - did he change JFK's post-mortem appearance? Did he later escape to Las Vegas? What's going on here?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Men_Who_Killed_Kennedy

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https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2005/03/19/network-settles-with-vero-man-over-jfk-theory/

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SUMMARY KEYWORDS

conspiracy theories, smoking guns, JFK assassination, James Fetzer, Vince Palamara, presidential protection, motorcade irregularities, entrance wounds, autopsy photographs, John Liggett, body alterations, Oswald's death, gambling parties, Las Vegas sighting, Malcolm's lawsuit

Welcome to con-sara-cy theories. Are you ready to ask questions you shouldn't and find information you're not supposed to know? Well, you're in the right place. Here is your host, Sara Causey.

Hello, hello. Thanks for tuning in. Tonight, I will be reviewing episode seven of the men who killed Kennedy Docu series. This episode is titled The smoking guns. I try whenever possible, to avoid saying the G word. I usually just try to say Boomstick, simply because the G word is one of those words where you can get flagged, you can get banned or shadow banned. You can get in trouble for even talking about such a thing, which is stupid. It is what it is. Sometimes you just have to come out with it and hope that everything goes well. This episode was released in November of 2003 in the last review that I did, which was about episode six, the truth shall set you free. I was talking about how the first five episodes are somewhat tame, but it's like from Episode Six on, the series takes on a different flavor. Things just progressively get wackier, and it pushes the line really hard. Some people like this series for that reason, and some people loathe this series for that reason. You will have to judge for yourself. But when you think about the first two episodes, the coup d'etat and the forces of darkness being released in 1988 in the UK, and then now we have this episode seven that that didn't come out until 2003 so actually, episode seven, eight and nine were all released in 2003 and they definitely push the envelope. They take it there. If you have not already watched this series in its entirety for yourself, or if you are watching it episode by episode, as I always say, please watch it ahead of time. Don't rely on me. I want you to watch this if you want to, if you choose to for yourself and make up your own mind, formulate your own impressions first. In the meantime, pour yourself up a beverage of choice, and we will saddle up and take this ride. This episode opens up by interviewing James Fetzer, and I will be honest with you and say, I've not ever read any of his material. He's something of a controversial figure. If you go to his Wikipedia page, for example, you will find a whole host of things that he's said or is accused of saying, and they're not good. I mean, some of these things are, frankly, really terrible. Do your own research. Make up your own mind. I think sometimes within theories about JFK, whether you're talking about his life, what he might have done had he lived, how should we define his legacy, and then, as well as the murder in broad daylight, I think sometimes, and this is just my theory. This is just strictly an editorial comment, and it could be wrong. I want to be super clear on that, and I'm not pointing fingers at any one individual person here. I'm just giving you a theory. I think sometimes people get into this arena,

like controlled oppo. Mean, I put them in the same category as people that are like, we're we're fighting against the New World Order, and John and Jane Q Public are waking up and things are gonna get better, and the globalists are quaking in their boots, whatever the hell that even means. It just sounds good. It sounds like hopium. I'm gonna dump all of this bad news on you, but then I'm gonna give you good news and tell you that everything's fine, or they lead people into events like Janet six, where you could wind up getting killed. You could lose your freedom. You could be on some permanent watch list and have your freedoms obstructed for the rest of your life, just no thanks on that. And I think sometimes within the JFK realm, you find the same thing happening. There are people that will come forth and posit a theory, and then you look at the other theories that they have posited, and you're like, oh my god, what was this person thinking? Is this person a racist? Are they a bigot? Are they an anti Semite, etc? And I feel like sometimes those people are deliberately shoved into the JFK space because it helps to discredit everybody else. Just my two cents, just my opinion, and it could be wrong. They also interview a man named Vince palamara, who is purported to be a secret service expert that says, from the moment that Kennedy arrived in Dallas, his presidential protection was suspect. There were a number of things that were irregular, things that were done that shouldn't have been and vice versa. And you actually can see the video of one of the agents going up, jogging alongside the car like you would expect for an agent to be doing, and then another agent waves him down, and he stands there with his arms extended, like, What the hell is going on here? I mean that that's on video. You can see that information for yourself also. When you look at the placement of the motorcycle officers, they're not really as fully around the vehicle like the Presidential part of the motorcade as they should have been. They were actually pushed farther back, and this opened up Kennedy to a field of fire from multiple different directions. There have been threats against Kennedy throughout the month of November. So you would think that there would be an increase in protection rather than a decrease in protection. Really, in so many ways, it's like, why didn't they just cancel that trip altogether? I mean, you just have to sit and wonder how history might have been different if that trip had never taken place. Also when the firing actually occurs, the motorcade is moving so slowly. There is like, photograph and video footage that you can see where it very much appears to me that brake lights are coming on. There's also footage where you can see the driver turning around to look twice, and it's like after Kennedy is clearly mortally wounded, if not already deceased, back there in the car, then it's time to take off at a much faster speed. Definitely seems to be a suspicious set of circumstances there. Initially, the press is told that there were shots from the front, but then this information is suppressed whenever the official narrative is supposed to be that it was one person acting alone, and all of the shots had to have come from behind the motorcade. They interview a reporter named Connie critzburg, and she was working for a Dallas newspaper at the time, and she had spoken to a couple of the doctors who were at Parkland, and they had said they Well, they told her that they had seen what they believed to be entrance wounds, and she put that in a report that she was filing, but then her editor changed The information, and it was like really crudely edited too. It didn't even sound like it was grammatically correct to make it sound like there was one wound, and that was it. And so she confronts the editor, and the editor says, Well, I had to change it because the Foxtrot Bravo India told me to that we can't have anything that contradicts the official narrative. So that includes your story. They interview Dr Charles Crenshaw, who was there at Parkland and was a surgeon, and he talks about seeing a very small entrance wound in Kennedy's neck, kind of right around the Adam's apple area, but that there was damage done to that, you know, evidence, so to speak, because of the tracheostomy that had to be performed in order to get a breathing tube in. Dr Robert Livingston says that he was told about this entrance wound by the doctors at Parkland, and he calls Bethesda, where they were going to do the official autopsy to tell Dr Humes what was going on. And Dr Humes speaks with him, and then says, okay, hold on a minute. And then comes back to the phone and says, I'm sorry I can't continue this conversation. Supposedly, Humes tells him he's not allowed to finish the conversation because the Foxtrot Bravo India has told him not to a witness, not to the actual Pop Pop, but someone that was at Parkland Hospital who was actually a medical student herself at the time and becomes a medical doctor. Becomes a medical doctor later. Evalia glandes claims that she saw a through and through bullet hole in the windshield of the Presidential limousine, and she said it looked to be just a clean bullet hole, probably from a high velocity boom stick that came through from the front to the back, and as she was pointing it out to her friend, and she was leaning on the vehicle, somebody else, like rushes up, takes the vehicle away, and she doesn't see it again, a researcher named Douglas Weldon, who, I think, kind of became something of an expert about the limousine, specifically talks about the number of law enforcement officials who saw the limousine when it returned to Washington, DC, and they all noted seeing this exact bullet hole in the windshield. We're also told that from sometime the evening of November 24 and then all through the day of November 25 nobody checked in at that garage to look at the limo, even though law enforcement officials had been teaming in there to look at it for that window of time, nobody's there. And the rumor, the conspiracy, as it goes, is that the limousine was put on a plane and flown to the Ford plant in Michigan so that it could be retooled. We're also told about a man named George Whittaker senior who was in a management role at the Ford Motor Company's Rouge plant in Detroit, Michigan, and he tells a story about getting to work. And there's the limousine that Kennedy had been murdered in, but it's like stripped down and. Windshield is missing. So he goes into the glass lab because part of his job involved, I think, laminating glass, or something, they said, and he finds that the door to the lab is locked, and when he, like, starts knocking on it, two of his subordinates come to the door, and there they have the original windshield out of the limousine, and they tell him when we've been instructed to use this as a template so that we can have a new windshield installed. And he saw a bullet hole, a through and through, bullet hole in the one that they were using as a template. And then after another windshield was installed, they were told to scrap the one that had the bullet hole in it. In other words, destroy the evidence is what what they're getting at. And then, after this man died, he had left like some handwritten documents about what he saw that day, like in the event of my death, I just want people to know what really happened. So this is interesting. They interview David Mantic, who became, I think, something of an expert specifically on the autopsy photos and the autopsy X rays. And I think he has, like, a medical degree and a doctorate in physics. He talks about how he went to the National Archives to look at the autopsy photos, and when he shows the photos to the Parkland doctors, none of them say, yes, that looks like what we saw when he was in the emergency room. All of them say we don't recognize that photo that doesn't comport with what we actually saw that day. He shows an enlarged version of the photograph and points out places where he believes the photograph has been altered because it's two dimensional. So like he shows where the area around, like the neck, the lower part of the head, a little bit of the scalp, has a 3d effect, but then the part where the actual head wound was that was described by the doctors of Parkland, it's two dimensional. You can tell that it's been edited by the inconsistency in the photograph itself. A photographer named Joe O'Donnell, who had worked, I think, for quite some time for the United States Information Agency, tells a pretty disturbing story. Robert Knudson, who was like permanently attached to the White House, took many, many photographs of JFK, according to O'Donnell, Knudsen was at the autopsy and photographed the autopsy, and had remarked that it was one of the hardest things he'd ever had to do. Joe Donnell tells the story of really liking Kennedy, in fact, loving Him, feeling like he was a very nice person, and the two of them got along well. And Knudsen showed him the autopsy photographs, and you could see a hole. I mean, of course, you can't see me right now, but a hole in the forehead, and then a hole that O'Donnell says was about the size of the grapefruit in the back of the head. Then sometime later, again, according to O'Donnell, Knudsen comes back and says, Hey, you remember those photographs that I showed you? Yes, of course I do. Well, they look a bit different. Now, what do you mean? Well, I'll show you. And the photographs have been altered so that the hole in the forehead was no longer there, and the hole the size of the grapefruit in the back of the head was also no longer there. And all that Knudsen would tell him was it wasn't me that did it. The photographs were altered, but I wasn't the one that altered them. One of the things that David Mantic points out, that I think is very worthwhile, very worth noting, is that whoever authorized the editing of these photographs had to be from within the government, if indeed you accept the premise that the autopsy photos are false, it had to be falsified on the orders of somebody in the government. So people that want to point fingers at the mafia point fingers at the Soviet Union. For example, this wouldn't have come from the Soviets. It wouldn't have come from somebody who was a mobster that had to be authorized by somebody inside the government. Now, certainly somebody could make the CounterPoint. Well, they might have been doing it to avoid world war three, because that's one of the things we're always told, is this, the Soviets did have something to do with it. The KGB had something to do with it. And the powers that be, because of the cold war, they wanted to make sure that we didn't face nuclear annihilation over the death of Kennedy, so that's why it was a benevolent cover up. It was done to make sure that we didn't go to war. Well, maybe, maybe not. I'll let you decide for yourself what you think on that. They also interview Dr Gary Aguilar, who talks about the House Select Committee on pop pops, and how it's like the HSCA just refutes the testimony of the doctors at Parkland like well, the people at the autopsy said that he didn't have a wound in the back of his head. They all say that the autopsy photographs are real. And then we see this clip of Robert Blakey saying, We just didn't find any evidence that Kennedy was. Got from the front, we just we didn't find any credible evidence of that, like we looked into it, but we just didn't find anything. Aguilar also points out that testimonies were suppressed and things were just flat out misrepresented. That once the documents were unsealed in the mid 1990s and you could go back and look at what the witnesses actually told the HSCA. It was overwhelming that the people saw what the Parkland doctors saw that there actually was a wound in the back of the head, a small entrance wound in the forehead area, and then a large exit wound in the back. This is the type of thing that just frustrates me to no end, because in my daytime broadcast and on my business related blogs, I talk about the economy, the job market, the Fed, etc, the amount of gas lighting that takes place, the old cliche, I think, is really true. It's easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they have been fooled. You have this massive gas lighting going on. The economy is great. The consumer is resilient. The job market is robust. We still somehow have this low unemployment rate, churning and burning, doing great, and it's like no. Inflation is not abating. The job market is not red hot people don't have all of these magnificent options if they find themselves laid off. But

yeah, as I say, with some people, it's easier to fool them than to convince them that they have been fooled. And this is just one case in point we're going to trot out in front of the public and say, well, we interviewed these people, and we just didn't find any credible evidence. And then a couple of decades later, the declassified documents are released, and it's like, Haha, we lied. What are you gonna do about it? Nothing. So we start out this episode with Fetzer, who, as I mentioned, is a very controversial figure within conspiracy theory arenas. Then we have some people that I think are pretty credible. I mean, people that nobody has ever accused them of doing and saying heinous things, at least so far as I know. So it's sort of like, All right, we get kicked off with this controversial figure. Then we have some additional speculators that seem to be fairly well regarded within the Pop Pop community. And then now we go into some really weird territory with this story of John Liggett. Evidently, John Liggett was some insanely talented mortician who could rebuild anything like if someone had been in a horrendous accident and the family wanted to still yet have an open casket, or wanted to be able to see them one last time before the burial or before a cremation. John leggett was the guy that you called, and one of his former colleagues said he could rebuild anything, an entire nose, ears, basically someone's entire head or their face. Like there was nobody better than this guy. And again, according to the co worker, there would be weird periods of time where he would just disappear. And the his co workers were always like, well, if we did that, we would get fired. But this guy never seems to get terminated, even though he'll call in and just say, like, I need to be gone for a couple of days, or I need to be gone for a couple of weeks. And management would just always let him leave like, no questions asked, and the pushback was always well, he's amazing at what he does. He has a long leash here. He can do what he needs to do, take care of what he needs to take care of, because he's just that incredible, like nobody else can do what he does. We also hear from a woman named Lois who was an ex wife of John lickett and said that they got married to each other approximately three months before the murder of John Kennedy in Dallas. Lois, daughter who becomes John's step daughter after the marriage, says that she felt like her mom and then herself and her sisters provided like a good cover for John. He was able to just marry their mom and have like this little Insta family and so everything would seem to be above board on the day of Kennedy's murder, John Liggett and Lois are both at the funeral of her aunt, and then during the funeral, he gets called away. Suddenly, he comes back and he tells Lois that the President has been shot and that he needs to go to Parkland Hospital. She says that somewhere around two o'clock the afternoon of the murder that John calls her from Parkland and says, it's not just that Kennedy's been shot, it's that now he's died. And so she asks if this funeral home that John leggett was working for had gotten the job. He said no, but that he still had a lot of work to do. And he tells her, just like something out of a movie, suppose. Supposedly don't call me, I will call you, and then she doesn't hear from him again for like a full 24 hour span of time. So after this 24 hour window goes by with no contact, he comes home, and both Lois and her stepdaughter, who agreed to be interviewed for this, say that it's obvious that he had been through something traumatic. His clothes are disheveled, which they said was abnormal for him, and that even though he looked tired, he was also really hyped up and edgy. And he tells the family we're leaving, we've got to get out of town. Lois asks him where we're going, and he says, Well, we're going to leave and get out of town until all of this blows over. And she said, That was a direct verbatim quote, until all of this blows over. And she thought, until all of what blows over, why would we need to leave and go somewhere? She tells the story of this super weird car ride where they immediately head south, and they're going, I guess, ultimately, to San Antonio. But along the way, with this frenzy journey to get further south in Texas, he would stop and have like random conversations along on the side of the road with people that he knew on the morning of the 24th they arrive at a hotel in Corpus Christi and Lois claims that John has a conversation with his brother, Malcolm, both Lois and the daughter, the step daughter, I should say, describe a scene of John getting in a motel room and just watching the wall to wall news coverage and chain smoking, watching The news and chain smoking, and then whenever Oswald is murdered on live television, it's like all the tension comes out of him, and he makes some comment, like, It's okay now. And so he tells the family, okay, go ahead and pack your things back up. We can go home now. It's fine. After that, allegedly, John comes into a significant sum of money, the family moves into a bigger, nicer home, and then John starts hosting like high stakes, expensive poker parties and little gambling get togethers. The stepdaughter further tells a crazy story about how one day, one of John's friends from New Orleans shows up, and the kids are laughing and making fun of him mercilessly because he has this really crazy appearance with painted on eyebrows. Hmm. Who do we think that that might have been? According to the step daughter, John tells them that David ferry was a friend of his from the Civil Air Patrol, that they had been in the Civil Air Patrol together at an earlier time, Lois speculates, and I want to be super clear here speculation. Lois speculates that John may have had something to do with the alterations of the body because he was this talented mortician, and we have the coworkers saying he could fix anything. He disappears for 24 hours. He's super stressed out. But then, whenever Oswald dies, he says it's fine, he comes into a large sum of money. David Ferrier allegedly shows up at one of his little gambling parties. This is a weird and disturbing story by 1966 Lois decides to divorce John. She feels like his lifestyle and the gambling and the company he keeps, it's just it's not for her. She wants out of the marriage, but they remain on friendly terms. We learn that in 1974 Liget gets arrested for attempted murder. Lois alleges that a meeting took place between herself and John's brother Malcolm in a park that Malcolm wouldn't talk to her anywhere else, like not even in her car. He had he wanted to walk around a park, and he told her that if she cared anything at all about herself and about her kids, she would just avoid John. Don't talk to him. Don't correspond with him. Just let him go completely out of your life. Lois gets frightened, and she said she's so frightened that she just picks up and moves to Lubbock, Texas shortly thereafter, she says a friend telephones her to say that John has been shot and he's died. And if you think that that story is crazy, just wait because it gets crazier. So the stepdaughter that was interviewed for this broadcast talks about how she had connected to the woman that John was married to at the time of his death, and that allegedly she did not think that the man who was in the casket at John's funeral was actually John. For one thing, he had a mustache, like the corpse that was in the casket had a mustache, whereas John did not. One of his former co workers says that he doesn't have any doubt that the person that he handled and did the embalming of was actually John Liggett. So we've got these. Two competing stories, and if you think the story ends there, no, it doesn't. So here's an addendum. Lois says that years later, she was in Las Vegas with her grandkids, which, I mean, I don't know why you would take grandchildren to Las Vegas that doesn't Sin City doesn't really seem to me like a great family vacation spot. But hey, I could be wrong. I don't know. So supposedly, Lois is in Las Vegas with her grandchildren, and she's in a casino. Now, remember, we're told that John Liggett was big into gambling and poker parties, and apparently had lived in Las Vegas for some period of time and had friends and connections there. While she's in a casino, she sees a man that she thinks is John Liget. Like she stopped in her tracks because she sees a man that she thinks is John Liggett. He sees her, and he turns back around to one of his colleagues to say something, but she doesn't stick around to find out if he's going to come up and have a confrontation with her. She just leaves the producers come up with a photograph that they show to the step daughter. One of the people in the photograph is Jack Ruby, and then allegedly, we're told that the man to the right of Jack Ruby in this photograph is Malcolm, and then the woman that's to the right of Malcolm, or the alleged Malcolm is Malcolm's wife, the woman in the center of the photograph, allegedly is named iris, and had become close, I guess, with Lois and her family. And after Lois had moved out to Lubbock, they had contact again with Iris, who had expressed some interest in joining an Episcopal Church there, and so everybody's chummy, chummy, and everything's going well, until one day Iris just disappears, and nobody in Lois family has heard from her since. With that, the episode ends, and I remember when I watched it for the first time, I was like, that felt like a soap opera was so crazy, because here you go, you've got this story of someone who's this insane, oh, talented mortician, and Kennedy is killed, and suddenly this insane, talented guy has got to just vanish for 24 hours. And he takes them on this really weird road trip where he's talking to people all along the way, and he's chain smoking in the hotel room. But then, after Oswald is murdered by Ruby, everything's fine again, and we can go back home. Oh, and now I've got a bunch of money, and supposedly David ferry is coming over for a gambling party. It's like, what on earth? Oh, and then that's not crazy enough. There's this twist of, did he fake his own death, or was his death faked so that he could go off and live a different life under a different name in Las Vegas, you know? And then, is this photograph genuine? Was that really Malcolm and his wife being photographed beside Jack Ruby? And then what happens to the iris lady? The whole thing, Oh, I'm just rubbing my head. The whole thing is kind of crazy. Now, there's also a link that I'm going to drop that was in a newspaper about how Malcolm had pursued legal action over his name being mentioned in this episode, and he says that he never conspired to cover up the pop pop of JFK. He didn't have anything to do with it, and I guess they settled with him out of court. So yeah, I don't know what to make of all of this. This is another thing where I would say, if even a fraction of it is true, it's highly disturbing, because if it was Liggett that had to do some kind of alteration to the body, that's really crazy, and it's scary and it's creepy, but then, if not, like, it's crazy and scary, for people to make that up too. Watch this episode for yourself. Make up your own mind. There's a book that has been written about Liggett. I haven't read it yet. I intend to. I'm, I'm all the time reading something. I'm all the time watching a documentary. But there's only so many hours in the day. I have a day job, I have animals I have to take care of, so I can't, I can't read everything all the time. But I suspect I might have a further opinion after I read this book. It's an interesting story, but I think, for the time being, in my opinion, that's how we have to treat it as a story. Did it really happen that way? I don't know, because I wasn't there, and it's I feel like it's not my place to even speculate on that. What do you think? Watch the episode for yourself and come to your own conclusions, stay a little crazy, and I will see you in the next episode.

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