Episode 30: JFK - Jim Garrison's "A Heritage of Stone"

Jim Garrison's book A Heritage of Stone was published in 1970, yet some of the concepts he addresses are as relevant today as they were then.

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Welcome to con-sara-cy theories. Are you ready to ask questions you shouldn't and find information you're not supposed to know? Well, you're in the right place. Here is your host, Sara Causey. 

Hello, hello, and thanks for tuning in. In tonight's episode, I will be discussing Jim Garrison's book a heritage of stone. It was published in 1970 so it predates his more popular book on the trail by about 18 years. It is a difficult book to get a hold of people that are selling it online. Want boucoup bucks for it, which I just think is crazy. If you want to read it, I would highly suggest trying to get a hold of it through your local library system, or maybe poking around online, seeing if there's somebody who can make it available at a more affordable price point. Nevertheless, saddle up and we will take this ride. Before we dive in, I do want to visit the website 64 parishes.org, they have an article there titled The garrison tactics. Jim Garrison himself is not without criticism. He's not without his own detractors, much like JFK, and I think it's important, also like JFK, that we don't put Jim Garrison up on some unrealistic, unreasonable pedestal. So it is with Kennedy himself. He wasn't perfect. He didn't do everything right. I do not believe that we would magically be in Utopia had Kennedy lived. I think certain things would be a hell of a lot better. Yes, I do, but I don't think we would be living like the Christmas songs, peace on earth, good will towards men. The lion would have laid down with the lamb, and we would be in some kind of Biblically imagined Utopia if Kennedy had lived, I don't think so. The man was not perfect. And anytime that we put any person up on a giant pedestal, you're asking for trouble. But I think you're most especially asking for trouble when you're talking about actors, actresses, rock stars, politicians, any kind of Hollywood type you're asking for trouble if you put somebody like that up on a pedestal and try to make them into a god or a goddess. I just think that's bad news. I also think it's important whenever possible, whenever we're aware of our own biases, whatever kind of content that you create, a writer, a podcast or whatever. I think it's important to be clear with your audience about where your biases are, so that they can filter that in. They're free to always make their own decision, and they can filter in your biases. Yes, I have a soft spot for JFK. There's no denying that I wouldn't have spent the time and energy in this podcast, the episodes that I've recorded about him and about his murder, the blogs that I've written on the conserracy theory blog site, I wouldn't have written all of these things if I hated the man's guts entirely. I'm not the type of person that thinks it's healthy to spend an inordinate amount of time dissecting the guts of somebody that you hate. I find people who do that to be a bit off, like maybe go find something that you're passionate about. Instead of talking about all these people that you hate, maybe you should go find some people that you like. My bias with Jim Garrison at this point, I always leave the door open to change my mind as I learn new information. My bias with Jim Garrison at this point is, I think basically, speaking, he was on the right track. I think his general thesis about the coup d'etat is pretty right on, pretty spot on. And I think there's ample evidence of that. Now, if you look back through the impotency of presidents and the like huge growth of the military intelligence and military industrial complexes over the years. The basic thesis that Jim Garrison sets forth, I think, is born out true. Do I agree with all of his methods? No, I don't. I think that whenever you start this insane Oh, stuff up about sodium pentathol and truth serum and hypnosis, you're asking for trouble. You know, I recorded that episode earlier about the documentary Satan wants you and the book Michelle remembers that really fanned the flames of the Satanic Panic whenever we start talking about somebody allegedly remembers something under hypnosis, I just think that you're asking for so much trouble, because we just don't know if those are legitimate memories, if they're fake memories, if they've been planted there by a psychiatrist, a lot of things could go wrong there. So I want to be very, very, very clear in saying, No, I don't. Three with his methods. And I think in hindsight, after David ferry died, whether you believe that David Ferrier killed himself, or you believe that David ferry died of natural causes or he was suicided, that really marked an important sea change in the investigation. And I think that if Garrison had been able to rely on David ferry as a witness, then the outcome of the Clay Shaw trial could have been different. Of course, we're speculating, I don't know, but some of the witnesses that he had to rely on, and the changing of stories and the tales of truth serum and whatnot, it just casts a pall over that whole investigation. Nevertheless, I thought heritage of stone was a good book. It was an interesting read. I will deal with on the trail in a separate episode, because there are people that accuse him of trying to rewrite his own history and whitewash his own investigation. That's a separate topic for another time tonight, I really want to focus on a heritage of stone. So I'm going to this 64 parishes.org article, because I think it is important to present an alternative viewpoint in this article we read during the two years between Shaw's arrest. Now this is referring to Clay Shaw during the two years between Shaw's arrest and 1969 trial Garrison became an ever more prominent television personality, even appearing in a contentious interview on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson in early 1968 despite Garrison's growing celebrity, the legal case against Shaw floundered. Part of the problem was that at trial, the prosecution spent the bulk of their effort trying the conclusions of the Warren Commission, rather than the defendant himself. The central task of convincing the jury that Shaw himself was a co conspirator in events that led to the Pop. Pop fell short. After more than a month of testimony, a 12 man jury unanimously deemed Shaw not guilty. Their deliberations took just under an hour, unwilling to accept the jury's verdict and preferring instead to use the power of his office to continue in his quest to create the world of should be 72 hours after the verdict came down, Garrison re arrested and recharged Shaw, this time with perjury related to testimony he gave in his own defense. That case went on for two more years until Judge christenberry's 1971 ruling put a permanent injunction on further prosecution of Shaw by Garrison's office in matters related to the pop pop in addition to eviscerating the factual basis upon which Garrison had charged Shaw in the first place, Christenberry asserted that Garrison also had a demonstrable financial stake in keeping Shaw tied up in the courts, noting That Shaw's continued prosecution provided publicity for Garrison's recently published book, a heritage of stone. The judge also pointed out that Shaw's prosecution had enabled Garrison to secure contracts to write three additional books in the future. End Quote, so I do think that this information is important information for us to consider, and this is something in terms of accusations that get lobbed at Jim Garrison, he was just a publicity whore. He was chasing fame for himself. He wanted to make a name for himself on a national level. Maybe he wanted to be a best selling author. Maybe he wanted to be a television personality. Maybe he wanted to run for office on a national level. Hell, maybe he wanted to become president himself one day. So he sort of latches on to the coattails of JFK, and he tries to ride herd on Clay Shaw and make clay Shaw's life a living hell. I mean, maybe I don't know, I wasn't inside the man's head. I feel like, in terms of evaluating a heritage of stone purely on the arguments that Jim Garrison makes. I think his arguments make sense, and I can see what they're saying in this 64 parishes article, that he was too busy trying to debunk the Warren Commission and not busy enough trying to make his actual case against Clay Shaw. I feel like that argument makes a lot of sense, and I think he probably did get stuck in the weeds. I think he saw that the Warren Commission report was full of shit, and he could start to link these different people together, including some of these figures in New Orleans. And he became really passionate. And then it was like he couldn't see the forest for the trees. He just got so embroiled in what he was doing and so passionate about it that he couldn't he couldn't take a step back and be more objective. And I suppose I have some sympathy for that, because I reckon that if you had come across something that you feel like is that monumental and that important to us, history and the direction that the country is going in, you would want to expose it. You would want other people to know what you know. I don't know I. Did he have sincere intentions, or did he not? Well, there's no way for me to know that. I would just be sitting here speculating. The best I can tell you is that for my. Perspective, he was on the right basic track. He might have gotten sidetracked, and he might have done some things in his investigative process that he shouldn't have done, but I don't think that completely negates the validity of his basic thesis that what happened that day was a coup d'etat, and unfortunately, let me, let me be careful here. Let me, let me think about exactly, precisely how I want to say this. I think sometimes what happens in any conspiracy theory, not just specific to the murder of JFK, but in a variety of theories, sometimes you have people involved that are so outrageous, whether it's the actual personality of the of the individuals themselves, or whether it's the outrageousness of their theories, and that is so distracting, I'm thinking of what Dr Phil calls outrageous overshadowing, where perhaps you have two people that are in a toxic relationship. They're both doing garbage things to one another. It's just that one is so outrageous and so loud and so disturbing that it overshadows the other one. I think it's like that sometimes these valid messages, valid theories, ideas that ought to be investigated get overshadowed by something outrageous. I mean, in Garrison's case, you could even make the argument, I think that, okay, he's got this book, a heritage of stone. He's talking about, here's, here's my theory, my meaning, Jim Garrison, here's my theory of why it happened, what Kennedy was doing, what he would have done, and why he had to be gotten out of the way. That gets overshadowed by the methodologies and the accusations going on regarding his office. And there are people close to him that said, would say that, you know, he'd get an idea, or get the beginnings of an idea, the hint of some evidence, and just take it and run with it before he really had adequate proof. Again, I don't know if that's true, because I wasn't there, but I think, like, whether you're talking about, hey, is the government actually found evidence of UFOs, or was the military industrial complex involved in the pop pop of JFK, and what actually happened with RFK, as well as like Medgar Evers and Malcolm X and MLK and the other murders that happened during the 1960s what really happened with Watergate? What was the story there? Was Nixon really an insider? Or was he set up? We get people involved in some of the theorizing on these things that are so crazy, the things that they bring up are so cuckoo and outrageous that it just casts a long shadow over the whole truth seeking process. And then it's like, oh, well, if you believe in any of that, you must just be one of those wingnut conspiracy theorists. All of that's been debunked, the people talking about that are all pieces of shit. What are you thinking? And so it becomes an easy way to just discredit an entire line of thought or discredit an entire community. It's like the old cliche about one bad apple spoils, the bunch people get focused on that one outrageous behavior, or that one outrageous person, or a group of outrageous people making bizarro claims that defy all logic, and they go, Oh, you must just be one of those people. And that's really a shame, because I think it helps to keep people distracted on silly nonsense, and it also causes people to just uphold an official narrative that they ought to be questioning just my opinion and it could be wrong. It's what I think. The book begins with a forward and one day in November, which is Jim Garrison's summary of where he was on November 22 and how he learned the news. Part one is titled The illusion, and it has the chapters, the execution, ornaments, power, the quarry and justice. Part two is titled reality, and it has the chapters, the craft of deception, traces of intrigue, the Ides of November, nightfall and the war machine. There's also an appendix at the back where Jim Garrison really makes further his point about JFK stance on Vietnam specifically, as well as just nuclear militarism and trying to avoid America being pulled into unnecessary wars in general. To his credit, Garrison does not bury his thesis here in chapter one titled The execution, we open up with a quote from JFK, from that famous peace speech, not a packs Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war, not merely peace for Americans, but peace for all men and women. Not merely peace in our time, but peace in all time. And then Garrison writes, a man who cares too much for the human race may find himself. Living in a hostile environment, his humanity may not be regarded as dangerous, so long as his voice cannot be heard by too many people. But if he is eloquent, or if he is in a position to affect the affairs of the nation, then his humanity will be regarded by some men as a great threat after the United States ascended to the position of the most powerful military nation in history, in the midst of its accumulation of the most effective death machinery of all time, there occurred the accident of the election of a president who regarded the entire human race with compassion. By the time this happened, the Cold War had become our major industry, and the Charlie India Alpha had become the clandestine arm of our military industrial complex, and in the process, the most effective pop pop machine in the world. John Kennedy's efforts to obtain a lasting peace represented the threat of civilian control reasserting itself over the military and industrial power structure which had developed during the years of the Cold War. Shortly afternoon on November 22 1963 Kennedy's hopes died by Pop Pop. End quote, he goes on in the same chapter to write, however, it is another matter. When a pop pop is supported by powerful forces within the government, the vaunted protective guard of the president suddenly will have become curiously impotent, for its operation will be known intimately by the pop poppers, the Pop Pop apparatus will be extraordinarily effective. Federal investigative agents who, within hours, can hunt down a man crossing a state line with a stolen loaf of bread will move like sleep walkers. High officials reviewing the affair will diligently examine many irrelevant items, such as Lee Harvey Oswald's shot record, showing that he received his smallpox vaccination in 1951 but will casually overlook the most pertinent evidence relating to the Pop Pop, perhaps from the news media. There will be an occasional editorial on violence in the streets. End quote in chapter two, he writes, There was never a real case in terms of evidence against Oswald, there was never even the beginning of a case. There was no case against him because he had not killed anyone. He too was a victim, as were the president and the American people of a new force in America. Oswald was murdered less than 48 hours after the president's Pop Pop within that short span, however, the official legend had been created, and the modern technology of the media took it from there. Lone pop Popper, no conspiracy. Lee Harvey Oswald, no conspiracy. Book Depository, Lone pop Popper, no conspiracy. End Quote, we see the same type of gas lighting that happens today. The economy is doing great. The consumer is resilient. The job market is churning and burning. We still somehow have an extraordinarily low unemployment rate. People are just grumpy. They're just in a bad mood about the economy. Those damn silly little peons. They need to just get their head screwed on straight, really. Okay, in chapter three, which is titled power, he makes a really good point, because when we look at the set of circumstances that we're expected to believe from the official narrative, if they were attributed differently, people would never have taken them seriously. Here's what he writes, if we had learned on November 22 1963 that the premier of Russia had been shot from a Moscow office building by a lonely capitalist sympathizer, we immediately would have pierced the governmental lie and recognized that coup d'etat had been accomplished and that new hands had taken over in the Soviet Union. We would have recognized that it was not reasonable that a pro capitalist and a lonely one, without any apparent motive, could have accomplished within seconds, the transfer of leadership of the Soviet Union. Finally, if the pop popper himself were liquidated within 48 hours, while surrounded by armed policemen by a patriotic moscovite, it would have become apparent that strong and well organized forces had seized control of the Russian government. We really would not have been greatly interested in examining the grade school records of the pop popper or in studying his photograph as a boy taken during a visit to the zoo. We would have been more interested in knowing what forces were opposed to the late Premier's policies and what Pop Pop machinery was available to these forces. In short, we would have recognized that the news story disseminated around the world was an obvious fabrication by which the new Russian government sought to fool the Russian people, to legitimize its acquisition of power and to conceal the actual reasons for the coup. End Quote, yeah, when you put it that way, and by the way, that some of the stuff in this book that he's talking about, photo of Oswald as a kid at the zoo, his grade school records, even I'm I'm not kidding, a study of his pubic hairs, that kind of stuff was in the Warren Commission Report. And it's like, how in the hell is that relevant? I mean, that's so foolish, but I. So if we think about it like that, if the if the Russian premier had been taken out and we were told it was a lonely pro capitalist sympathizer, completely alone from a high building, making a very much impossible type of shot, we would have recognized that it was propaganda bullshit. He also brings up the Mauser that was found at the Book Depository. But then when it's supposed to be Oswald acting alone with a man licker Carcano, then the Mouser just disappears from the record, and it's only a man liquor Carcano that was found there, even though that's not the case. He also brings up that this psychiatrist, Dr Hartog concluded that Oswald's spelling disability would not be inconsistent with his having decided to murder the president. Wow, just wow. Here's a chilling quote for you at the beginning of chapter four, which is titled The quarry. He quotes Dr Verner best one of Heinrich Himmler's men inside the Gestapo, who said, as long as the police carries out the will of the leadership, it is acting legally. That is fucking chilling. In this chapter, he talks also about the murder of J D Tippit. He writes, among the few worthwhile sources of information left available after the government's pop pop of the evidence are the radio logs of the Dallas police force. Apparently, the existence of the recordings made it a risky enterprise to alter the typewritten transcripts, and as the result, some gleanings of truth have escaped the technicians brooms the first description of the tippet killer recorded at 1:22pm on a radio log transcript refers to the man's black hair between 133 and 1:40pm the description then came in on the radio that Tippett's killer had black and wavy hair. Oswald had thin and receding brown hair. At 1:40pm it was reported that shells on the scene indicated that the subject was armed with an automatic 38 the Boomstick purportedly removed from Oswald at the Texas theater was not an automatic but a 38 Smith and Wesson Boomstick a weapon considerably different in operation and appearance as well as the effect made on the used shells. The shells at the scene indeed would have indicated by the marks caused by the ejector, which flips them out if they had been fired from an automatic weapon. End, quote, you know, I published that episode about the sons of Sam and Maury Terry's book The Ultimate Evil to me, a really compelling question in all of that, whether you believe that there was actually a satanic cult operating in Yonkers, or worse yet, a network of creepy devil worshipers all over the country that are going in caves and caverns, sacrificing things to the devil, whether you believe that to be true or not, the idea that there was more than one Son of Sam killer terrorizing New York, that's a big story. I mean, think about people having been involved in that, that were never brought to justice. David Berkowitz just became the scapegoat for all of the murders, and that means somebody got away with it, maybe more than one. Somebody got away with it, but he had these witnesses saying that the shooter was tall and thin with blonde hair. And then there was another one of the shootings where the perpetrator may have even been female. And it's like, okay, something is fishy here. And so it is with these descriptions if the killer the first description was that the killer had black, wavy hair, and then Oswald has thin, receding brown hair. Something seems a little bit fishy. I'm now on pages 74 and 75 still in that chapter about the quarry of the hardback copy that I got from the library. Here he writes even up to the time of his own murder, there was no eyewitness evidence that Lee Oswald had killed either the President or the police officer. On the contrary, all evidence of any substance indicated that he had killed neither one over on page 75 he has there was no description broadcast to cause Tippett to attempt to arrest Oswald, nor do the statements of the eyewitnesses to the murder in any way support the idea later interpolated into the scenario by the government that Tippett was in the process of arresting his killer. End quote, towards the end of this chapter, he draws a comparison to the character Joseph in Franz Kafka's little novel, The Trial novella, I guess I should say the trial which I intend to review. When he brought this up, I thought, God, that would make a great book to talk about on the podcast, just independently of all of this, because it seems to be part of the dystopian and absurdist world that we find ourselves living in now, at the end of this chapter, the quarry, he writes the time would come after the three. Pop Pop of a national leader opposed to the Vietnam War, when a high government official would explain what was happening speaking before President Johnson's commission on violence, he would explain that the unusual number of pop pops in the United States were caused by crazed and lonely men like Lee Harvey Oswald, who wanted attention and got it by killing someone famous, the Commission on violence would agree with this observation, making it unnecessary to inquire into the activities of any government agencies. Congress would pass a law requiring the registration of all persons possessing machine, boom, sticks, end quote. We're just going to blame it on lonely in cells. Lonely in cells. They're crazy. They want attention by murdering somebody. And there you go. To me. I come back to the question, if that were the case, if he wanted to be famous or infamous for murdering this golden Prince of Camelot, why didn't he just take credit for it? Yeah, it was me. I did it. And fuck all. Y'all. I mean, if he wanted to be famous, why wouldn't he have handled it that way? But he didn't. Instead, he screamed that he was just a Batsy. In the next chapter, which is titled justice, he gets more into his thesis that Kennedy was trying to make peace and bring about detente, and the military industrial complex did not want to have that. He writes, this is a very interesting coincidence, because no president in history was more at swords point with the military and intelligence combine than was John Kennedy. The split which began when the Bay of Pigs debacle was laid in his lap, had widened by the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis, when he rejected the advice of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, with the sole exception of General David Shupe of the Marine Corps to bomb Cuba. It further widened when the President set up negotiations with Fidel Castro, looking toward a possible detente with Cuba. It further widened when he authorized the signing of the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty in Moscow on September 1, 1963 again over the objection of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. It further widened when Secretary of Defense McNamara announced Kennedy's intentions of having most American troops out of Vietnam by 1965 a move which would have constituted a complete abandonment of our military foothold in Asia. Senator Wayne Morse had apprised us of the fact that Mr. Kennedy told me 10 days before he was felled by a pop poppers bullet in Dallas on 1122, 63, that he meaning Kennedy was re examining Vietnam policy. President Kennedy's program of de escalation necessarily had a tremendous impact on elements of our military intelligence structure. From their point of view, we had reached a position from which we were close to military hegemony over the world, and this rich young man, this transient was undoing it all by the systematic voluntary surrender of our military advantages. End Quote, Garrison also talks about an early executive session of the Warren Commission, where you can very clearly see Alan Dulles setting the tone. And in this meeting, Allen Dulles says, I've got a few extra copies of a book that I passed to our council. Did I give it to you, Mr. Chief Justice? I don't think so. It's a book written about 10 years ago, giving the background of seven attempts on the lives of presidents. I have not seen it. It's a fascinating book, but you'll find a pattern running through here that I think we'll find in this present case. I hate to give you a paperback, but that's all there is. When was the book written? 1952 the last one is the attack on Truman. There you have a plot. But these other cases are all habitual. Going back to the attack on Jackson in 1835 I found it very interesting. So you can see this early narrative that Dulles is pushing like alone, crazy, alone, cuckoo, no plot, no conspiracy. In chapter six, which is titled The craft of deception, Garrison writes, few Americans are aware that one of the byproducts of the Cold War has been the development of a huge intelligence structure within their country. This invisible monster serves not the American people but the warfare complex. You better preach that word boyfriend. I know that's real. Its capabilities go far beyond the gathering of secret information and embrace a variety of services ranging from murder to the creation of misinformation to be fed to the press, to a multitude of refinements of thought control. The rationale for its existence in an ostensibly open society is national security. Although it is difficult to conceive of any greater threat to the security of a democracy than the clandestine government agency which specializes in deceiving the public. End quote, I'm just going to set the book aside so I can give that a round of applause. He goes on to really talk about how we have this fantasy, this verbiage that we tell ourselves about having this open society, land of the free and home of the. Brave, but yet, there's this whole spy apparatus going on in the background. I mean, I know that as I sit here and record this episode, somebody else is listening to me do this in real time. They hear the bloopers. They hear the times when I have to hit the pause button and cough or get a drink of water or sneeze and blow my nose into a Kleenex. Somebody else is already listening to this before it ever hits the airwaves. We just have to accept that as part of the price we pay for living in the modern era. But yet we're all supposed to hold up this Potemkin village, patiomkin, Skye, deer of freedom and openness, and you can do whatever you want to do, and yet we all know that it's false. He gets into some further information about the connections between Oswald and banister as well as David ferry. It's interesting too, because he talks about how banister had been involved with the Foxtrot Bravo India. Then he retires and becomes a private eye. But it's like he becomes a private eye. Wink. He talks about some of Bannister's files which the government seized, and the classification of some of these files. So just listen and see if this sounds like the typical files that you would find in your typical private investigator's office. American Charlie, India Alpha ammunition and arms anti Soviet underground, B 70, manned bomber force, the Civil Rights Program of JFK, dismantling of ballistic missile system, dismantling of defenses. Comma, us, fair play for Cuba committee international trademark Italy. Comma, us, bases dismantled in General Assembly of the United Nations, Latin America, missile bases dismantled Turkey and Italy. I mean, when I think of your just garden variety, private investigator. I think about, oh, divorce more than anything, probably in modern society, infidelity. I think he's cheating. I think she's cheating. I want to get custody in the courts. I want you to follow this person, or I'm getting serious, and I don't know if I want to marry him yet. Can you follow him for a week and make sure he's not cheating on me. I don't really think about your average private investigator having a system like that, ballistic missile systems, the Civil Rights Program of the President, the Charlie India alpha. That just seems a little bit suspicious to me. In Chapter Seven, titled traces of intrigue, he talks about what he calls the Texas Tableau, like Oswald gets to Texas and ingratiates himself, particularly with George de Morin shield and the White Russian community in Dallas, which is awfully odd, because they're said to be rabidly anti communist. So if Oswald had really been a communist sympathizer, a Castro sympathizer, a true, sincere defector to Mother Russia, then why would he be hanging out with all of these white Russians? On page 133 in the same chapter, he writes after Oswald left New Orleans to return to Dallas by way of Mexico, his family moved into the home of Michael and Ruth Payne in Irving, a suburb of Dallas. Michael Payne, who worked for Bell Helicopter and had received security clearance, moved out of the house where Ruth Payne was subsequently joined by Marina Oswald and her children. The pains later explained that at this time they had separated temporarily, immediately after the president's pop pop and the departure of Marina Oswald and her children, the pains were reunited and Michael Payne moved back into the house during the months his family was at the Paines Oswald stayed at a rooming house in Dallas and visited them on weekends. Payne's temporary departure and Oswald's move to a Dallas rooming house created the illusion of a disassociation between Lee Oswald and Michael Payne, an individual possessing a security clearance and working for a manufacturer of military hardware. End quote, There is a documentary I intend to review. I have watched it, but I need to go back and re watch it again so that I can take copious notes the second time around, it's titled The pop pop and Mrs. Payne, and it's a 2022, documentary film directed by Max good. Here's the blurb for it. One woman's connection to the JFK Pop Pop continues to haunt her. Years later, according to some Ruth Payne is a government agent who helped frame Lee Harvey Oswald, but to others, she is an innocent bystander caught up in history, I felt like it was an interesting documentary. I was fortunate enough the local library had a copy of it that I could download for a certain period of time and watch. So I was able to see it free of charge, even if you have to spend two or three bucks. Renting it. I think it's worth your time. I feel like there's interesting details to that story. It's not my purpose in reviewing a heritage of stone to get into all of that, but just suffice it to say, that whole dynamic there and how she fits into it additionally weird in chapter eight, which is titled The Ides of November, he writes, even as we defeated the totalitarians, we had begun to emulate them and had begun building an empire of our own, there are always reasons for keeping power once it is obtained. Another point in his side of the court. In the 20 years following the war, our warfare state would spend 1000 billion dollars, a trillion dollars, on armament and on the maintenance of its far flung empire. Again and again, we were told by the war interest that more and more billions had to be spent when after nearly two decades of increasing militarism, a new national leader appeared who saw that the foundations of our democracy were being undermined, and that warfare interests had gained excessive power in our government, a rift developed between the new young leader and the powerful nobles of the American empire, the barons and the Lords and the Dukes at the Pentagon and the shadowy counterparts in the Charlie India Alpha skip down just a little bit from his vantage Point, Kennedy was aware of dark possibilities that did not remotely occur to most of us. One weekend in the summer of 1962 while on the honey Fitz, the Kennedy yacht, he was asked what he thought about the chance of a military takeover in America. Kennedy replied that it was possible, if certain conditions developed, a military takeover would occur. Kennedy said if the country were being led by a young president at the time, if a Bay of Pigs occurred, if military criticism of the young president followed, and then if another Bay of Pigs occurred. By the time of this discussion, Kennedy had already overruled the use of war planes in the invasion of Cuba and the Charlie India alpha's long planned expedition had foundered in disaster on the beach only a few months after the discussion, he would overrule the advice of the military to bomb Cuba instead. He would later set the stage for peace talks with Fidel Castro. In another year, he would override the strongly felt wishes of the majority of the chiefs of staff and cause the United States to sign the nuclear test ban treaty with Moscow. Such a compass bearing was not a course concurred in by the men of empire. These were the actions of a man engaged in ending the Cold War, the source of endless benefits and bounties, power and prestige for the military and its silent partner in the profession of extermination, the Charlie, India Alpha. End Quote, Garrison also points out the number of people who had worked with Oswald that wound up being government employees later this most especially for the NASA facility that was on the eastern edge of New Orleans. Like a disproportionate number of people who had worked with Oswald, particularly like when he was at that Riley company, Riley Coffee Company, I should say, wind up getting jobs at NASA. And it's like, Hmm, what are the odds that, as Garrison says, in 1963 New Orleans was a city of nearly 700,000 people, and NASA's facility was not a particularly large operation at all. So why does it seem like a disproportionate number of people who were former colleagues of Oswald suddenly wind up with jobs there on page 160 he writes, whenever possible, the Charlie India alpha will seek to silence these voices by a massive discreditation of the individual, when this is not practical because of the prestige of the individual or because he is too well known for derogatory fictions to be believed by the public, then his voice may be silenced by killing him. End Quote, you know he says on those Garrison tapes, interviews that I have reviewed before that John Barbour recorded, the name of the game is you either get discredited, you get removed, or you get killed, whatever, the most effective tool is to get you to shut the fuck up and get out of the way. That's what they do. And it's interesting to me, not only that, this is still a playbook, it's a very clear playbook that you can watch them use, but this has even been done, I think, in my opinion, to Kennedy's legacy. Even though you see this high posthumous, retrospective approval rating by the general American public, you still have these hit piece authors and smut peddlers that want to convince you the most important thing about Kennedy was his penis. And I'm like, I don't care what, how does that impact my life at all when I'm sitting here reading a book like heritage of stone, if what Jim Garrison is saying is true, if it really was a coup d'etat on American soil, if that was the the final real takeover, the cementing of A. Takeover of the military industrial slash military intelligence complex, in the form most likely of the Charlie India alpha that impacts my fucking life every day, every day. As I said, you know, I have no delusions of grandeur. I know, as I'm sitting here recording this episode, it's being listened to everything that I do, all of these smart devices. There's even this dystopian video of a guy talking about how your Wi Fi can be used to exactly place where human bodies are in a room, how many people are in there, and exactly where they're standing in a room through the walls. If I can find the link to that. I'll drop it in this episode description so you can see it for yourself if you haven't already. It's terrifying. This impacts my life every day. If Kennedy was having sex with Marilyn Monroe or other Hollywood starlets or having naked pool parties at the White House, that does not impact my daily life. So I don't actually care. I feel like that kind of process, though, is being used now, if people, especially if they can get people on the left, that seems to be the real jewel in the crown. If you can get somebody on the left to say, well, actually, Kennedy wasn't going to stop Vietnam. He was just gonna be a piece of shit warmonger like everybody else. Oh, and he was also Dick crazy. He just went around sticking his pecker and everything that moved. Then we didn't lose that much. He wasn't that important. And all of you peons can go back to sleep. It's the same basic concept, if you can just do a massive disk discreditation and ruin somebody's reputation and get rid of them that way. Fair enough, that's what they do. Well, the man's already dead. He's already been murdered, so they can't do that. The point now is to just absolutely ruin his legacy and to convince people that all Gen Xers went to see Oliver Stone's film JFK, we took it as literal, actual history, and so we've just been brainwashed by Hollywood. Okay, on page 167 he writes, For one thing, by the autumn of 1963 much of the original gloss seems to come off of Cuba, as far as the Charlie India Alpha was concerned, the covert training of Cubans, which the agency had continued despite President Kennedy's orders, which had been which had been ended on August 31 1963 by raids conducted by other United States agencies on the training sites. Excuse me, although the trainees and instructors were released afterward, this action seems to have spelled the death knell for the faint hopes for a Cuban adventure which had remained. Furthermore, by the autumn of 1963 the Charlie India alpha and its partners in Empire had turned their attention to new Green Acres, the third world in Asia, here was the new frontier, where new and exotic weapons of destruction could be tested against underdeveloped nations. End quote. He also talks about Jack Ruby and his potential roles in all this. He recounts the story of Julia Ann Mercer, saying that she had seen Ruby on the day of the pop pop and another man with a boom stick in the in the area. But then her testimony is changed, and it's even notarized, even though she said there was no notary there in chapter nine, nightfall. It opens up with the Michael Farrington quote, treason. Doth never prosper. What's the reason for if it prosper, none dare call it treason. He talks about the testimony of Colonel Pierre Fink, Army pathologist who was subpoenaed in that trial for Clay Shaw, and some of the weird comments that he makes about other people being in the room. Well, maybe it was a general, but I don't remember his name. Well, maybe it was an admiral, but I can't remember his name. The weird happenings that went on at that autopsy and how apparently it was like a clown car of military officials, and then who's really running the show there. Chapter 10, titled The War Machine, opens up with a quote from James Madison, the means of defense against foreign danger, historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home. You better also know that's real at the beginning Garrison writes, one of the most remarkable accomplishments of the Roman Emperor Augustus has been said to be that he maintained the form of the Republic for the people to see, while actually transferring ever more power to the armed forces. This well may be history's judgment of Lyndon Johnson, who repeatedly recited his craving for peace while hundreds of 1000s of combat troops were flown to Vietnam. End quote, he goes on in that chapter to talk about how the warfare state operates at two different levels. There's a private, hidden view of like the real goings on that's hidden from the public. And then there's the public view, which is just fine for public consumption. Agent. I definitely believe that's not only true of Kennedy's murder, but it's still true today. He also talks about the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, where, for all intents and purposes, the ability to declare war is handed off from Congress to the President, and then, in turn, the President, for all intents and purposes, hands that off to the military industrial complex. I'm now on page 209, for the Charlie India alpha, its primary objective is to enhance its power. I'll butt in and say, for any of these governmental agencies, that's what it always boils down to, to gain more and more power and then to keep hold of that power regardless, in combination with the military to maintain and extend its power. It has sought to keep the cold war going to a warfare state. A war is a market, a market for the services of its military and for the hardware manufacturers. We became a warfare state years earlier, at the close of World War Two, when we had developed the ability to kill other men in great quantity, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization served as our war market for many years, until our nuclear stalemate with Russia became so apparent that even our military leaders could see it. The need for a new war market, preferably with an undeveloped country, caused us to turn our attention to Asia and to Vietnam. Then suddenly there was John Kennedy, too wealthy, too idealistic and too hard headed to manipulate talking about peace for all time, for all men, other presidents had been easier to manipulate into keeping the Cold War going. After Eisenhower's meeting with Khrushchev at Camp David, for example, the end of the Cold War appeared to have come within reach. Then a u2 operated by the Charlie India Alpha came down in Russia, and the Paris Peace talks were canceled. But Kennedy was different. He was a president preparing for peace, not war, and he was moving too fast. There had been his refusal to approve American air support at the Bay of Pigs and his refusal to respond to the Cuban missile crisis by bombing Cuba. There had been the signal the signing of the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty on September 1 ordered by him over the objection of the majority of the Joint Chiefs. Then there had been his initiation of detente with Cuba and Russia. Now he was blocking the new war market in Vietnam, the Charlie India Alpha handled all of the details. End Quote, I'm going now to page 211 a successful coup d'etat affects not merely the history of a nation, but may change its power structure. With the killing of John Kennedy, the very position of the presidency was drastically reduced in status. Henceforth, the President would be a broker for the war machine. He would be an advocate and a spokesman for the Pentagon. All presidents who followed Kennedy would have to know their impotence, no matter what their public role, until the work of the Kennedy pop poppers is undone. Presidents will come and go, but the warfare machine and its extensive intelligence tentacles, domestic as well as foreign, will remain in control the Pop Pop reduced the President of the United States to a transient official, a servant of the warfare conglomerate. His assignment is to speak as often as possible about the nation's desire for peace while he serves as a business agent in Congress for the military and their hardware manufacturers. End quote, There you go. There you go. So when I was reading Brent Holland's book about the JFK pop, pop, his thesis is that it was not a coup. And he asks this question, like, if we're supposed to believe it was a coup, then that would mean every president that's come through since has just been a puppet, and the Charlie India Alpha has been running the whole thing. And it's like, yes, that's exactly what somebody like Jim Garrison is trying to get you to understand. And I don't think Jim Garrison is wrong on that point, he may have done some things that were wrong, headed and stubborn and foolish in his investigation process. And maybe the guy was some kind of narcissist. Maybe he was a popularity whore that was just trying to make a name for himself. I don't know. I think his basic thesis here as he's lined it, lined it out. I think it's right on the money. I really do a figurehead, a transient, somebody who's supposed to go out and LARP and play for the public. Play a role for the public. We want peace now, really we don't, but we've got to sell all of these forever wars to John and Jane Q Public and just keep printing up ream after ream, of bullshit, fiat currency as we slowly drive the economy into the ground. I'm now on page 213 Well, actually, before I go to 213 I would just humbly say the proof is in the pudding. Which thesis makes the most sense to you? Well, it wasn't a coup. Maybe it was some crazy guy, or maybe it was a conglomeration of crazy guys. Maybe it was mobsters. Maybe it was paid pop poppers that had to do with the hair. Wind trafficking, or it was a coup d'etat on American soil, and now every president that's come through since has just been a puppet of the Charlie India alpha and the military industrial complex. Hmm, you know which of those theses seems to be the one with the most evidence? Hmm, I know what I think I'm now on page 213 if the government were to take its gold bullion from Fort Knox, fly it to the Pacific in daily flights and drop it in the ocean, this would not be far removed from what has been accomplished by our adventure in Vietnam since the removal of President Kennedy. Even as the dollar approached the value of a postage stamp, the westward flights of troops and weapons into Asia were continued without abatement. It was not possible to have price controls because the government could not admit it was engaged in war. Consequently, as the Vietnam war continued, the buying power of the dollar steadily declined. What the average American was able to retain at the end of the year was swept up by the heavy taxation to pay for the Vietnam War and for the Charlie India alphas adventures throughout the world. End. Quote, yeah, I just I think that sometimes we look at warfare as a way to bolster a crappy economy. JFK himself actually talks about this and why England slept? Germany could do all of the armaments and arms race that it wanted to because Hitler was a dictator. So he could do anything. It wasn't beholden to anybody. He could just do whatever he wanted. And I also think about Gerald Celente saying, when all else fails, they take you to war. If there's a political scandal. If the economy's in the dumper, whatever the situation is that they need to paper over, boom, it's time to hit the warfare button. Economies are really not made to stand the test of time in these forever wars, where it's just one conflict after another after another, and bullshit fiat currency that's being printed up in wads and wads, and it's not tied to anything. There's no standard. It only has value by Fiat. Somebody says that it has value, therefore it has value. You can't continue to drive that economic jalopy down the road forever. At some point it's going to conk out, and smoke is going to start pouring out of the engine. I'll read a little bit more from 213, seven years after the pop pop and the subsequent Vietnam escalation, our economy was showing the strain of too much war production and too much investment in warfare adventures. War Production fails to add to the well being of the people and distorts the national economy by adding to its waste and reducing its efficiency, real income falls as uncontrolled, prices continue to rise. Hmm, does that sound awfully familiar? This was written in 1970 folks. Seems like it could have been written in 2024 insufficient money is available for the cities, and the standard of living of workers suffers. The quality of public education deteriorates. Billions of dollars that might have been available for our new schools and other social needs have in effect, been dumped into the Pacific Ocean. The Charlie India alpha and the Pentagon are not interested in new schools and social needs. These are death oriented operations. End quote. They sure are. I'm now on page 216 Dealey Plaza should be recognized as a highly effective assault on civilian control over the military. Correspondingly, the Warren Commission can be seen as a delegation of the civilian leaders of our country accepting the terms laid down to them by the military. The military conceded one condition, which clearly was in the initial planning, they dropped their requirement for an invasion of Cuba. Beyond that concession, the pop, pop and the inquiry are best recognized for what they were, a military takeover of the United States. It was nothing less end quote, I do want to get into his appendix before I sign off on this episode at the end of 217, the final paragraph, aside from the appendix, we find, in any event, we need no longer pretend that there is any mystery left about the pop pop of John Kennedy. The Cold War was the biggest business in America, worth $80 billion a year, as well as tremendous power to men in Washington, the President was murdered because he was genuinely seeking peace in a corrupt world, as tired as we are of the horror of the subject, all of us must address ourselves honestly to the meaning and implications of the pop pop of John Kennedy, or all of us will pay the price of living in tyranny. End Quote, well, here we are, Cock a doodle doo, here's your wake up call when we think about surveillance, the sharing of surveillance and the sharing of data that goes on between, say, the November Sierra alpha and the Charlie India alpha and big tech Silicon Valley, yeah, we're living with more tyranny. I get what he's saying here as to. As we are, of the horror of the subject. It is a horrible subject. It really is. You're talking about a man who was murdered, pieces of his head exploded in broad daylight in front of his wife, in front of children who were there to be spectators. Yeah, it's a horrible subject. I'm thinking again of Bill Hicks and how he would incorporate some of this into his stand up routine. Let it go. Bill, it's already been 30 years ago. Bill, you can't bring him back. Why are you still talking about this? Well, it's been more than 60 years now. Why are we still talking about it? To me, it's for the exact reason that Jim Garrison is talking about there. If we don't come to grips with this, we're just going to have to live with the tyranny. Well, here we are, and that's exactly what we're doing. As I said a few moments ago, what John Kennedy was doing as far as his sex capates, that doesn't affect my life at all. I don't care what the man was doing with his penis. But when we're talking about these very powerful, shadowy organizations, they're not elected, they're not accountable. We don't even know what the f they're doing. You start talking about these black budgets that billions of dollars go missing. Oh, there's trillions of dollars unaccounted for, oh, and then 911, happens, and so it's all forgotten. Oh, that's an urban legend, except it's not look it up. This affects us every day, and we are still living with the fallout from it. I'm now into the appendix on page 220, massive retaliation contemplates resolving international disputes by incineration. Its implicit, broader basis is the essential rejection of serious consideration of peaceful coexistence between such opposing superpowers as America and Russia. Ironically, however, America no longer held a monopoly on nuclear weapons the development of the capability of nuclear counter strikes on the part of nations which might be struck by atomic attack really made peaceful coexistence no longer an optional matter. In as much as the launching of a nuclear attack by one superpower against another would result in the eventual destruction of both countries. Peaceful coexistence now had become imperative. One of the most articulate opponents in Congress of the government's official adoption of the policy of massive nuclear retaliation as an answer to the threat of communist aggression was the junior senator from Massachusetts, John Kennedy. In 1958 he called for consideration of alternative methods in dealing with the communist end quote, so one of the things that he points out in this book is that when you had the US and the USSR like matching each other pound for pound, so to speak, in terms of weapons capability, mutually assured destruction, if you will, the public was growing weary of the Cold War narrative. Hence Vietnam like okay, as we start to see the public losing interest in this arms race between the US and the USSR, what can we do next? I'm thinking also of how RFK Jr asserts that the primary role of the Charlie India alpha is to keep a steady pipeline of wars going one conflict, one more after another, when the when the public gets tired of supporting one cause, no problem. We just shift to another one, and then to another one, and then to another one, and just on and on. It goes from one generation to the next. I'm now on page 224, of the appendix. President Kennedy scarcely had arrived in office when the Charlie India Alpha sponsored Bay of Pigs invasion collapsed in disaster. The Joint Chiefs of Staff had approved the poorly conceived and poorly executed invasion. Nevertheless, the new president, unhesitatingly publicly accepted the blame for it. Subsequently, the relationship between President Kennedy and the high brass and the Pentagon would become worse. He now quotes from Ted Sorensen's book Kennedy communications between the chiefs of staff and their commander in chief remained unsatisfactory for a large portion of his term, enjoying a popular novel Seven Days in May about a fictional attempt by a few military brass to take over the country. The President joked, I know a couple who wish they could end quote, and don't forget, I reviewed that film for this podcast, and Kennedy wanted to see it made into a movie, and even left the White House so that they wouldn't have any security hang ups about being able to film some of the outdoor shots there around the White House. I'm on page 226, now in the appendix, where he quotes from Arthur Schlesinger's book. By now, the Pentagon was developing what would become its standard line in Southeast Asia, unrelenting opposition to limited intervention, except on the impossible condition that the President agree in advance to every further step. Deemed sequential, including, on occasion, nuclear bombing of Hanoi and even Peking at one National Security Council meeting, General lemnitzer outlined the process by which each American action would provoke a Chinese counter action, provoking, in turn, an even more drastic American response. He concluded, if we are given the right to use nuclear weapons, we can guarantee victory. The President sat firmly, rubbing his upper molar, saying nothing. After a moment, someone said, Mr. President, perhaps you could have the general explain to us what he means by victory. End quote, wow. Think about that. Just this almost flippant suggestion of using nuclear weapons against these cities. I mean, just let let that sink in. Just let it sink in. He ends the book with a passage from Andre Fontaine's book history of the Cold War, from the Korean War to the present. And the wonder is that Khrushchev, who had once confronted him in a decisive test and learned to recognize both his determination and his wisdom, also believed it it's difficult to know what result their mutual understanding, their agreement on the rules of the games could have achieved since two months later, John Kennedy was pop pop in Dallas, but Nikita Khrushchev's reaction to the news of that tragedy showed Clearly what hopes he had placed in his understanding, one would be tempted to say his connivance with the young president, he burst into tears, and according to the testimony of a high Soviet official quoted by Pierre Salinger, he just wandered around his office for several days like he was in a daze. As a matter of fact, his sorrow was the sorrow of all humanity. End. Quote, I really wish that. I wish that we could, in some respects, just take Jim Garrison's writing apart from the whole Clay Shaw trial debacle. And in fact, that's what I would recommend that you do. Obviously, I recommend that you check out a heritage of stone. Read it for yourself. Draw your own conclusions. There may be parts of it that really speak to you. There may be parts of it that you think are utter bunk. I mean, you may find it to be a way too saccharine portrayal of Kennedy, not critical enough. I want you to make those decisions for yourself. I think that for me, that's what I've chosen to do, is just take his basic arguments about the murder of John F Kennedy away from the whole Clay Shaw debacle. Was Clay Shaw involved? Was he not? Clearly, Jim Garrison didn't do a good enough job in a court of law of trying to get him convicted. Take all of that stuff away, all the whole New Orleans ball of wax, and just think about his basic thesis around the murder of JFK. I've said this before, and I'll say it again. I think basically, speaking Jim Garrison hits the nail on the head. Maybe he misses some of the finer points. Maybe he's overlooking some of the other players, some of the additional people that had real motive, real means and real opportunity to contribute to the Pop Pop, I think his basic notion that it was a coup d'etat on American soil, and then at this point, we're being led by the nose, by the military intelligence and military industrial complexes. I think it's pretty spot on. Judge for yourself. Highly encourage you to check it out if you can find it at a library, or find somebody that has a reasonably priced copy of it. I absolutely believe it's worth your time to read. Stay a little bit crazy, and I will see you in the next episode. 

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