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Episode 76: JFK - Was John Liggett the President's Mortician?

Episode 76

Was John Liggett responsible for the alteration of JFK's body? After all, as David Lifton states in Best Evidence: "FBI agents Sibert and O’Neill reported that when the President’s body arrived at the autopsy room at Bethesda Naval Hospital, there had been, ‘surgery of the head area, namely, in the top of the skull.’"

Was this the work of Liggett? Is this all a koo-koo conspiracy theory? Let's take a look...

Links:

https://tpfleming.wordpress.com/about/

https://www.buzzsprout.com/2289560/14497375

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0XNiu-yutk

https://www.nytimes.com/1976/08/31/archives/administration-after-delay-to-publish-a-report-criticizing-aluminum.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Men_Who_Killed_Kennedy

https://lbjthemasterofdeceit.com/2018/10/06/the-1969-murder-of-lyndon-johnsons-double-his-cousin-jay-bert-peck/

https://lbjthemasterofdeceit.com/2020/01/16/john-m-liggett-the-mystery-of-the-murderous-mortician/

https://tpfleming.wordpress.com/tag/jay-bert-peck/

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Transcription by Otter.ai.  Please forgive any typos!

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

JFK assassination, Tim Fleming, The President's Mortician, John Melvin Liggett, funeral home, Dallas, Lois, Dorothy Peck, Jack Ruby, Lee Harvey Oswald, conspiracy theory, Bethesda Naval Hospital, Walter Reed, LBJ.

Welcome to con-sara-cy theories. Are you ready to ask questions you shouldn't and find information you're not supposed to know? Well, you're in the right place. Here is your host, Sara Causey.

 

Hello, hello, and thanks for tuning in. In tonight's episode, we've got a doozy for you. I have wanted to record this episode for quite some time, but it has taken some real effort and some finagling, because I wanted to be able to talk about Tim Fleming's book, the President's mortician. As of this recording, it is out of print and has been out of print for quite some time. That, in turn, makes it very difficult to find on rare occasions, when someone decides to put a copy up for sale, they always want an obscene amount of money for it, and I'm sorry, but I'm out here on a budget. As I always tell you, I don't get paid to do this. I have to pay to do this. It is here as a labor of love, so I don't have $500 in my discretionary funds budget to pay some scalper to pay some opportunist five or $600 for one paperback book. I just think that's obscene. So I had to beg and steal and borrow and finagle and beg some more to finally track down a copy of this that was available through the library system. I was able to get it through a library loan if you are interested in reading it. Who knows, maybe by the time that this hits the airwaves, it will be back in print somewhere. I don't know, to be determined. If not, you might be able to find it through a library loan system. It It's interesting, that's for sure. So pick out your frosty beverage of choice, and we will saddle up and take this ride. If you listen to my series about the Docu series, the men who killed Kennedy and you caught episode 50, which was about their episode seven, the smoking Gu ins, then you may remember the story of John Melvin Liggett, and it is one heck of a story. So this man, Tim Fleming, published a book called The president's mortician. On the front cover, it says a story of how and why JFK murder was executed and covered up this paperback copy that I was able to finally through an almost Faustian bargain with Mephistopheles tracked down through the library system. Is copyrighted from 2013 it's a shame that it went out of print so quickly. I don't even know how long it was available. It must not have been for very long. So if you think back to the men who killed Kennedy Docu series, you will see this woman named Lois and her daughter, Deborah, and their harrowing and strange story of this man. John Melvin Liggett, I'm going to do this episode a bit differently than I normally would, because I was telling one of my friends about this story, and she was like, Holy shit, this is one of the craziest things I've ever heard in my life, because I just kept on like, Oh, but wait, there's more. No, that's not the end of it yet. But wait, so I'm going to give you a bit of a TLDR summary to this. Then we will dive into more of the meat and potatoes of this truly insane story. The basics of the story, our TLDR Cliff Notes summary here, this man named John Melvin Liga was supposedly like supernaturally gifted at being able to reconstruct anything for a funeral. It didn't matter how difficult or seemingly impossible the task might be, he was capable of reconstructing anything, entire noses, ears, eye sockets, entire faces. Supposedly, he reattached a severed head if a family wanted to be able to have an open casket funeral, or they wanted to be able to raise the lid and say goodbye to their loved one that one last time without seeing something really devastating. The man that you called was John leggett, because he could fix anything, and he worked at this funeral home in Dallas, and he could be gone for days or even weeks at a time, he would just call in and tell his employers, I'm going to be gone for a couple of days, or I'm going to be gone for three weeks. I'll be back when I get back, and they would just be like, okay, cool. Whereas any other employee it was like, Wait a minute. If we just called in and said we're going to be gone for a few days, or we're going to be gone for a few weeks. I don't ask any questions, I'll be back when I get back, we would be cordially invited to fuck off, and we wouldn't have a job anymore. So why is it that this guy gets to make all of his own rules and just disappear whenever he feels like it? Allegedly, management tells the other employees he's just that good when you get that talented and you're commanding this amazing performance. You've got clients willing to come here because they know how good you are, then we can talk about it. But suffice it to say, he's got a very long leash here, because he's just that good. He can do what nobody else is able to do. That's why we keep him around. If he vanishes from time to time. That's his business. We don't get into it. It's kind of like mind your own business and don't worry about why your coworker sometimes vanishes for days or even weeks on end. A widow named Lois meets this man, John Liggett likes him. Thinks he's sweet. They hit it off. Lois has several children by her late husband, but John doesn't act like he's put off by this idea of an instant family. They have some kind of whirlwind romance, and the two of them get married. On November 22 1963 Lois and John are at the funeral home where he works, and he is helping with the funeral of Lois aunt. He gets called away. Someone on the phone tells him that JFK has been shot and that he needs to show up at Parkland Hospital. He goes and tells Lois what's going on, and he also tells Lois BT Dubs, don't call me. I'll call you. I'm going to need to be gone for a little while. Don't try to call me. I'll be back when I get back. She asks him if the funeral home where he's working, has gotten the job. He says, no. It's also a bit odd that he's been told that JFK has been shot and he needs to get down there from the funeral home. But it's like, supposedly, this is before JFK was legally, medically pronounced dead. This is another oddity, boy. This is a this gives a new definition to ambulance chasing, hearse chasing. I mean, I'm gonna be first on the scene, because this guy's about to die. So off he goes, and he's gone for at least 24 hours. When he comes back, he's haggard, disheveled, not himself. Lois feels like he's been through something he doesn't really talk about, whatever it was. You can just tell that he's seen some shit, man. He tells the family, his wife and stepchildren, that they need to pack some bags, get in the car and go because they need to get out of Dallas. Until, quote, this whole thing blows over, and Lois is like until what blows over. She doesn't even understand what's going on, but he's frantic, wanting to get out of town. It was a different time. Also, I think we can factor that into it. There's a little bit more of the man as the head of the house at that point in time. And if the man says, We're leaving, then you pack your shit and go and they did all along this trip as they head south, like they're going to go to San Antonio or Corpus Christi, they're they're going south in Texas. He stops along the way and has these random chats with members of his circle of friends and his family. And Lois feels like an outsider the whole time, like they're all privy to information that she's not privy to. They all know something that she doesn't, and they're reconnoitering and comparing notes about some kind of something. So she feels uncomfortable and out of place, but she doesn't say anything. She just goes along for this very strange ride. I don't think even in the 1960s I would have been that quiet and submissive, but I don't know who knows. So they get to a motel somewhere in South Texas, and one of his stepdaughters says that he's nervous and he's just chain smoking. He's watching the wall to wall coverage of the JFK murder and chain smoking when on national television, Lee Harvey Oswald is pop, pop by Jack Ruby, John becomes he just it's like the whole tension, all of The chain smoking, all of the fretting goes away instantaneously as soon as he sees that Jack Ruby has popped. Oswald, he's fine, and he tells the family, okay, we can go back home. Now, go ahead and pack your stuff up. We're leaving. We'll go back home. They get back to Dallas, and shortly shortly thereafter, in. John comes into a goodly sum of money from whereabouts unknown. This is another sort of weird aspect to the story, because it's like, if your husband suddenly comes into a big pot of money, don't you ask where it came from? Did your Great Aunt Harriet die? Did you get a big fat promotion at work? Did you win the lottery? I mean, I think I would have asked, but apparently, he comes into this sum of money. The family moves into a larger, nicer house in a more affluent area, and John starts to have late night gambling parties. It's like these people from the Dallas underworld start showing up gamblers and ne'er do wells, and they'll have card games until late in the night, the kind of card game that starts at eight or nine and doesn't wind up until four or five in the morning, drinking and gambling and drinking and gambling all night. And after a while, Lois starts to feel like this is not what I signed up for. This kind of stuff wasn't going on when we first got married. I don't really want to be around it. I don't want kids to be around it. So she decides to file for divorce. Nevertheless, they stay on amicable terms. They split up. But apparently it's not the kind of acrimonious divorce where the two people hate each other and refuse to speak to each other or anything like that after the breakup.

But wait, there's more.

Lois goes on about her life, and John gets married to someone else again. Apparently everybody in this situation is all amicable. Everything's friendly. Nobody hates the other one's guts. We fast forward in time just a bit, and this woman named Dorothy Peck is savagely beaten. I mean, it's a really horrible crime story. This woman is beaten savagely with a hammer and left for dead, and then the perpetrator lights of fire to, I don't know, presumably try to cover up his crime, destroy evidence, guarantee that the woman is dead. Who knows? However, the woman, Dorothy, does not die. She's terribly wounded, but she's able to ID her attacker as being this man, John Liggett. She had met him at a bar earlier that night, or the night before, I'm not sure, but she recognized him, knew who he was, and identified him to the police.

 But wait, there's more.

Dorothy Peck was married to a man named Jay Burt Peck who was one of LBJ cousins and has reported by some as being one of lbjs body doubles, a man who looked a lot like him and sounded a lot like him. So we have John Melvin Liggett accused of trying to murder Dorothy Peck and then light everything on fire to cover up the evidence of what he's done. That's awfully, awfully weird. So he gets arrested, and he rots in jail for just a little while, I think maybe a year, not, not for a super prolonged period of time. And in Dallas, stop me, when this sounds familiar, in Dallas, they're going to do a transfer. Sounds, sounds like Oswald doesn't it. They're going to do a transfer. But he attempts to escape, and is shot in the back. When he tries to escape, he doesn't survive. We're told he dies from his wound.

But wait, there's more.

Whenever they're at the funeral home, the two wives, the ex wife, Lois and then the current wife do not believe that the man in the casket is actually John Melvin Liggett. We're told that the man in the casket had a mustache, and that Liggett never did. In fact, one of the ladies says that he was just that type of man that really didn't grow facial hair. He could not grow a full mustache or a full beard. He just was one of those guys that couldn't and they thought it was very weird that the corpse didn't really look like Liggett and had a full on Tom Selleck style mustache. Now, the people at the funeral home say the man that they involved and the man they buried was for sure, the John Melvin Liggett that they had worked with years before. They were confident that the man they buried was the real Liggett. The wives say they don't think it was the real Liggett. That's pretty darn weird. But wait, i. We're still not done. Supposedly. Years later, Lois is on vacation in Las Vegas, and as she's going through a casino, she sees a man, and it stops her in her tracks cold, because she's certain the man that she has seen is John Liggett. She says that they look at each other like eyeball to eyeball contact. He sees her. She sees him. She feels like there's some spark of recognition there. He turns to some other casino employee to say something and to point to her. She doesn't know what his intention is, but she's freaking out, so she just gets the hell out of dodge and decides I don't know what he would have done. I'm not sure what the intention was of looping in his coworker and pointing at me, but I didn't stick around to find out. So here's this bizarre question of, did he fake his own death? Was it faked for him, sort of like witness protection or ex spy protection, where he was given a new life and he got to go gamble his heart out in Las Vegas with a new identity and live out his years. Is somebody crazy? Is somebody wrong? Is somebody lying? But wait, there's still one more thing. I haven't even gotten into talking about the President's mortician yet. I'm just giving you the bare bones of this crazy story. In the men who killed Kennedy Docu series, there's a photograph produced. And I don't claim to know the veracity of this photograph. I'm not a professional forensic analyst. I don't want to get into all that. I'm just telling you there was a photograph that was produced. You'll have to look at it and judge for yourself as to whether you think it's authentic or not. Allegedly, the photograph is one of Jack Ruby, along with John Melvin Liggett's brother, Malcolm and Malcolm's wife and a woman named Iris Campbell that was friendly with Lois and her daughter and some of their family members. So it's like, was there some connection between the liggetts and Jack Ruby? Is that a fake photo? Is this all a bunch of rumors and obfuscation and craziness? Hmm. The beginning of Tim Fleming's book the President's mortician is very clear, very clear in saying this book is a novel and a work of fiction, all characters, places and incidents portrayed in this book are fictitious or are used fictitiously, except for well known historical figures, any other resemblance to persons living or dead is coincidental, shouldn't be considered real or factual. So it's like, All right, we're getting some kind of historical fiction here. But is it, is this all just a figment of someone's imagination, or does he feel like he has the freedom to say what he really wants to say, as long as it's labeled as fiction. Hey, there's no need to come after me. It's just, it's just fantasy, man. It's the same thing as a books about dragons and unicorns and the Fae. This is just from my imagination. In Chapter One, he actually starts us off. November 23 1963, 12:54am, at Bethesda Naval Hospital in Washington, DC. And it tells a basic story of John Liggett being called in to perform modifications, shall we say, on the body of JFK to make it look like it had to have been a lone nut. It was Lee Harvey Oswald from the sixth floor the snipe, the so called sniper's nest from the Texas School Book Depository. There can't be any evidence of multiple pop poppers. It has to be one guy, and the shot has to come from above and behind any any other evidence, any evidence contrary to that, needs to go bye, bye. It needs to disappear. One theory posited here is that before Kennedy's body ever made it to Bethesda, it was first taken to Walter Reed. So it goes from Dallas to Walter Reed, it's there perhaps that Liggett, or someone we don't know, performs a pre autopsy surgery, modifications, reconstruction on the body, so that when it does get to Bethesda, the real evidence has been so boogered up and obscured, who's going to ever get to the real truth. There's also a connection, allegedly between Liggett and David ferry that they had been in the Civil Air Patrol together that's also talked about in the. Who killed Kennedy Docu series, the stepdaughter that appears on camera in that Docu series talks about this weird looking man with the crazy eyebrows, the wig and the crazy painted on eyebrows, and how as kids, when he would come over to the house, they would make fun of him and tease him unmercifully because of how weird he looked. And later on, when she saw a photograph of David ferry with the wig and the shoe polish eyebrows, she concluded that was the guy that we saw. Was there a connection between Liggett and David ferry? Fleming also tells a story about David ferry going to Liggett because he wants Liggett to make a car disappear, because somebody who was an Oswald double was seen in this car at a time when he wasn't supposed to be seen, and the car has to disappear like part of your responsibility is whenever we tell you to make evidence, whether that's a person or a thing, disappear, you just go do it. We'll protect you, as long as you keep serving us. If you want a general synopsis of the Pop Pop according to Tim Fleming, why was it done on page 61 of the paperback, you get his synopsis, JFK refused to play ball. The Charlie India Alpha had its agenda. JFK was not on board with that agenda. And it wasn't just the agency. It was also the Joint Chiefs, defense contractors, the oil barons, anybody that got rich off of war and conflict and rabid anti communism. Kennedy wanted to end the Cold War, not keep it going, not win it. He intended to pull out of Vietnam. He was not planning to escalate it the way that Johnson did. He wanted a peaceful coexistence, and, in fact, cooperation, between the US and the USSR, the military industrial complex and the Charlie India Alpha hated him. JFK had said that he wanted to splinter this Charlie India alpha into 1000 pieces and scattered into the wind. He just didn't play ball with them the way that they expected him to. He had to go bye. Bye. Also in the book, he talks about the Nazis and fascists that were brought over here, and I've said in the blog and on this podcast numerous times, you can't swing a dead cat in the halls of power without hitting Nazis and fascists. It's really pathetic. It is. He calls the running mate choice of LBJ like the the dynamic of Kennedy and LBJ a marriage made in hell, which I think is funny. I also think that happens to be true his his theory is that LBJ went along with the idea of being vice president instead of President, because he wanted to be one heartbeat away from the throne. He was aware that Kennedy had some health problems. He was aware that Kennedy had Addison's disease, according to Fleming, okay, allegedly, he was aware of Kennedy's various ailments, and he felt like at any point in time he's going to croak, and that's going to put me in the driver's seat. I had a real holy shit moment on page 85 of the book, when they start talking about John's brother Malcolm. Now I want to be very, very, very clear on all of this, allegedly, supposedly, this is what is in Tim's book. It's not what I'm reporting, it's what all I'm telling you is what's in the book I'm reporting on what he says I'm not telling you. Oh, this is the research that I found. You may remember from my reporting on the men who killed Kennedy Docu series that Malcolm Liggett had brought some type of suit against a e regarding that episode The smoking G uns, and I guess they reached some kind of settlement. So look, I'm not, I'm not the one here telling you I think this is true. I'm just reporting. This is what Tim Fleming says fictionally. Remember, this is a this is a work of fiction. They're characters. This is why this is a character. Okay, maybe I did that deftly enough. I don't know. In the men who killed Kennedy Docu series, Lois says that Malcolm had come to her and they were like in a park somewhere together, and that he wouldn't even talk to her in her car. He wanted to just talk and walk at the same time. And he told her something to the effect of, leave John alone. Don't correspond with him. Don't have any more to do with them. If you value your own life and the lives of your kids, leave. Him alone. Don't talk to him. Don't have anything else to do with them. And so in the Docu series, she says that she was so scared and so freaked out by that that she picked up stakes and moved off to Lubbock. She was like, say, No more. I don't want to get involved in any of this. And then not too long thereafter, John was killed. And there was, yeah, there's, there's some real craziness to all of this, allegedly. So on page 85 of Tim Fleming's book, this character, this fictional character, Malcolm, it's alleged that perhaps this fictional Malcolm was Charlie India alpha and my holy shit. Moment came when we get to this part about Malcolm was given a presidential appointment by Gerald Ford when Nixon resigned in 1974 Ford became president. He created something called the Council on wage and price stability, which reported directly to the Executive Office of the President. Ford appointed Malcolm Liggett to this council. Like, holy shit, that information is verifiable. I'm going to drop a couple of links. One is to a New York Times newspaper article from August 31 1976 that specifically mentions him by name as being part of that committee. You can also go to the Wikipedia site, and on the little blurb they have about how he filed suit against a E, it says Malcolm Liggett, a retired economics professor, labor economist at the Equal Opportunity Commission, and employee of the office for wage and price stability in the Executive Office of the President from 1975 to 1981 19 Yeah, 1981 what? Wait a minute. What that? For me, legit was a holy shit moment. Fleming also talks about the number of future presidents that were in or close to Dallas on the day of the pop, pop, Poppy. Nixon LBJ, of course, Ford gets involved with the Warren Commission in his fictional telling on 92 page. 92 Tim Fleming talks about the discrepancies between some of the photographs and films. The Mary Mormon photo, for instance, it kind of appears like there's nobody even driving the limousine. The fictional theory is that the service man that was in the driver's seat was holding a boom stick and used it. But the boom stick was later edited out and in the Mormon photo, so like in the Zapruder film, The Boomstick is edited out of the film, but the driver is still there in the Mormon photo, not only the boom stick, but the driver himself, have both disappeared on pages 114 and 115 we're told about how Dorothy Peck was the wife of Jay Burt Peck, and how Jay BIRT Peck was LBJ cousin. And according to some people, there was a strong resemblance between the two. There's even similarities in their voices and the way that they talked kind of odd that Liggett would go after her with the intention of killing her. We're also told that Liggett marries this woman, Lois, just a few months after Lois had lost her husband, Charles Rodwell in a plane crash. But apparently the circumstances around that man's plane crash were a little bit odd as well. According to Fleming in his fictional story, a family member thinks that the plane crash that killed Charles Rodwell was arranged. Rodwell was a pilot that had his own small aircraft, and the circumstances of the crash in this fictional story are just awfully odd, and they seem to be strategically timed so that Liggett can swoop in and have an instantaneous family cover for what we don't know is that even true? Who knows? As you can see, there's a lot to unpack in this story, and just when you think that you have uncovered all of the layers of the onion that it's possible to uncover, it really is like the infomercials. But wait, there's more. I had several HOLY SHIT moments in reading the President's mortician. I mean, I didn't know the story about Dorothy Peck being J Burt Peck's wife. I mean, it's like, what are the odds of that just being a totally random coincidence that seems fishy to me. If you go to the website LBJ, master of deceit, you'll find the article The 1969 murder of Lyndon Johnson's double his cousin. A Burt Peck. Naturally, I will drop a link to this so you can go check it out for yourself. This person has presented a picture. It's a photo from JB Peck's obituary, and it's like, I'll be damned. But the guy really does look exactly like LBJ. Alongside the obituary photo, the person has written, someone also went to the trouble of deleting his name from the master list of Johnny Carson's guests, even though Peck's 1969 obituary confirmed that he was a guest on the Carson Show, that listing was erased by someone since it no longer appears on the master list, which supposedly includes every guest who ever appeared there. That's weird, too. Lyndon second cousin J Burt Peck had a close resemblance to Johnson and a voice that sounded like him. Peck's primary employment was as a deputy sheriff in Garland, Texas, outside of Dallas, and as a part time security for the Dallas Cowboys. But in his spare time, he was also employed by Johnson in a mostly still secret role as Lyndon Johnson's double unfortunately, in Johnson's last year as president, Peck did some things that apparently greatly embarrassed Johnson, as often happened when someone did something to seriously upset LBJ, Mr. Peck died shortly afterward in his in his case, by being shot in his own house by an intruder. It all started when a news item appeared in two national magazines announcing that Lyndon Johnson had a double, a man who was known to have stood in for Johnson on a number of occasions when Johnson wanted his presence known to have existed, even though he needed to be someplace else at that point in time. End Quote, hmm, this plot just keeps thickening. I'm going to scroll down just a little bit. I'm still in the same article on LBJ, master of deceit, according to LBJ, partner in crime, Billy Saul Estes, who had restored his credibility after his release from prison when he began cooperating with the impeccably credentialed Texas Ranger later us, Marshal Clint peoples Johnson had Peck stand in for him on several occasions, including the evening of November 21 1963 so he could go to Clint murchison's party at the final which the final go nod for the Pop Pop would be given by LBJ. He knew that Peck would only make a brief appearance at the hotel in Fort Worth. To throw off reporters as to his whereabouts. The reports that Johnson was seen that evening in the main dining room and lobby of the hotel could be explained by this device, considering that there were no indications that he spoke to any group or even anyone in particular that evening. End Quote, hmm, so you know, I had asked before, like, what's really the veracity of this fish story, because that's what it seems like to me. Every time somebody tells the story of Clint Murchison house party, it gets bigger and wilder and the guest list gets to be bigger and wilder. The accusations just fly. But it's like, okay, well, if he and the President had gone to that ceremony to honor Albert Thomas. He was clearly seen in public, and then we don't know for sure what time they got back. How could he have even shown up to this party? Was at the middle of the night? I mean, when the hell did this supposedly happen? So we have a theory here. He has this body double. If the body double was the one at the hotel, then it would have freed up LBJ to go to this supposed, alleged crazy house party at murchison's place. On the same website, there's another article entitled, from embalmer extraordinaire to serial killer, then dead man walking. And it gives this person's take on the role of John Melvin Liggett and how, according to this author, the one thread like, if you if you thread the needle, the one person that's involved, the thread that goes through all of these tapestries always comes back to LBJ. I'm going to also drop a link to Tim Fleming's website, where you can read more about J Burt Peck, John Melvin Liggett and his various theories about who did what for whom at what point in time, and how do all of these people tie together? Whew, a lot to digest, isn't it? Just when you think that you can't learn anything crazier, just when you think the story is not going to go any deeper. It does. I will end as I so often do. What do you think there are some people who believe that this is all just conspiracy theory claptrap, that John Melvin Liggett was not really some extraordinarily talented mortician. People are making that up because they they want to have this genius extraordinaire show up at Bethesda or Walter Reed to alter Kennedy's body. But it's not true. So if John Melvin Liggett was just your run of the mill embalmer and he wasn't anything special, then the whole thing would. All apart. Judge for yourself. If you can find a copy of Tim Fleming's book, the President's mortician, it's worth your time to read, even though it is, remember wink. It is a work of fiction. It's historical fiction, if nothing else. Hey, look, maybe you have a couple of whiskey sours and get in your cups, and you're like, holy shit. What a ride this was, and it is a ride. But when do you think was John Melvin Liggett the President's mortician? Or is this all just a bunch of wackadoodle cuckoo bird crazy conspiracy theories? Decide for yourself, stay a little crazy, and I will see you in the next episode. 


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