Episode 70: Operation Gladio, Part 3

Tonight I conclude my review of the BBC's 1992 docuseries on Operation Gladio, which is horrifying. The series closes with a creepy, haunting scene of a man who referred to himself as "the Godfather" playing with a puppet. By the way, he thinks the fascists who obeyed him in these stay-behind networks were exactly that: puppets.

You can find my review of Episode 1 here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2289560/14840044
And my review of Episode 2 here:
https://www.buzzsprout.com/2289560/14952036


Links:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTmFgGOlqTM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_New_Post

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldo_Moro



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Transcript

Transcription by Otter.ai.  Please forgive any typos!

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Operation Gladio, BBC docuseries, Belgian peace, US Army Intelligence, special operations, Klaus Barbie, J Edgar Hoover, Jim Mars documentary, William Colby, Ray Klein, Licio Gelli, Michael Le Dean, Lucien de Sara, Paul Latinos.

Welcome to con-sara-cy theories. Are you ready to ask questions you shouldn't and find information you're not supposed to know? Well, you're in the right place. Here is your host, Sara Causey.

Hello, hello, and thanks for tuning in. In tonight's episode, we have made it to part three, which covers episode three of the BBC 1992 Docuseries on Operation Gladio. It feels like it's been a long time coming and a massive effort, because it takes some time to go through these episodes and sit and transcribe who said what, and connect the dots on all of this. So it's been a bit exhausting, not for you, because these episodes will be published close together, but for me, it has been an effort. Feel a little bit like Sisyphus pushing the boulder up the hill. If you find this episode out of sequence, I will put a link to my review of episode one and my review of episode two. In the write up for this episode, I do not recommend listening to them out of sequence. I would start with episode one, then two, then three, in order for you to really understand who some of these people were, and to get a full sense of the backdrop, I think it makes the most sense to listen to these in order. So if you just randomly find this at some point, please go back and listen to episode one, then two, then this final episode, episode three is titled the foot soldiers. We open with 30 years of peace in Belgium were shattered in the early 1980s citizens with no expectations of violence were murdered while shopping. No one knew who, and no one knew why some suspected right wingers had infiltrated the government and secret services. This was a suspicion, but not proven, and it never went away. We are shown an excerpt from a top secret US document. There may be times when host country governments show passivity or indecision in the face of communist subversion. US, Army Intelligence must have the means of launching special operations which will convince the host country governments and public opinion of the reality of insurgent danger US Army intelligence should seek to penetrate the insurgency by means of agents on special assignment with the task of forming special action groups among the most radical elements of the insurgency. In my personal notes, I've written, this is disgusting for so many reasons. For one thing, it reminds me of what the agent told us earlier in this series about reporting that Klaus Barbie, aka the Butcher of Leon, was in the stay behind group, and he was told, keep nice and quiet until we're done with him. The French can have him when he's no longer of use to us. These agencies had no qualms whatsoever in using war criminals and absolute scumbags as long as it suited their purpose. It also reminds me of the J Edgar Hoover memo saying it didn't really matter so much whether Oswald was guilty. What mattered is that the public believed he was guilty. I also think back to the Jim Mars documentary that I reviewed two or three episodes back and how he pointed out that a US Army intelligence officer was taking pictures of the School Book Depository before JFK was shot. Why would somebody from Army Intelligence be there taking photos anyway, let alone taking photos of a building that didn't have any significance yet. That's weird. We go now to William Colby, Charlie India, alpha director, 1973 to 1976 I never heard such a thing. Frankly, I don't know the origin of that statement. You can find any statement in any country. You could find a jackass statement anywhere. Now I've written what a defense. Now he's saying that about the excerpt from the top secret US document about you've got to use whatever is available to you in a host country to convince these people that they are. They need to get riled up about communist subversion. And his response is, well, I've never heard such a thing. You could find a jackass statement anywhere in any country. We go now to Ray Klein, Deputy Director of the Charlie India alpha from 62 to 66 I suspect it is an authentic document. I don't doubt it. I never saw it, but it's the kind of special forces military operations that are described. On the other hand, you have to recall that the Defense Department and the president don't initiate any of those orders until there is an appropriate occasion. Colonel Oswald lewinter, there is. A supplement B of field manual 3132 it's 12 pages long. It's not a hell of a big thing, but if it's not authentic, then you need to ask somebody what it is doing in the classified manual section of most field manual libraries. We go now to Licio jelly, Venerable Master of the p2 Masonic Lodge. You may remember in the last episode, we talked about the p2 Masonic Lodge and how Vincenzo was talking about this crazy Masonic conspiracy. And it's like, God, how deep does this rabbit hole go? The document was given to me by a friend in the Charlie India Alpha before entering a session. He said, read this when you have time. Now, I've written in my personal notes I wouldn't trust this guy, as far as I could throw him, so I have no idea if he's telling us the truth on this it's certainly possible. Michael le Dean, State Department consultant Italy, the field manual was an old forgery designed to show that there's some kind of accusing the US, basically, of what the Soviet Union was doing in Italy, which was creating a secret underground paramilitary organization capable of acting to subvert Italian democracy. I've written in my personal notes, this guy sounds like he's reading from a script, or he's been given lines that he memorized. I could be wrong on that. Okay, just my opinion, I could be wrong. That's just how it strikes me from his delivery. And it's also a very convenient narrative. This is Soviet propaganda. They're going to accuse the US of doing what they were doing. So, yes, it was going on, but it wasn't us. It was the big, bad Russians. You can't see me, but I'm rolling my eyes. I'm just like, Yeah, okay. Lucien de Sara, former Belgian para commander. He says, I'm from the north of the province of Luxembourg. At that time, I was manager of a bank. Just going to stop there for a second. For one thing, I need to clear my throat. At that time, I was manager of a bank as well as an ex para Commando. One day, some people came to my house and asked for my help with some special maneuvers in coordination with the American special forces, the Belgian commandos were told to recover American paratroopers. After this operation, they were to go to predetermined spots and attacked barracks belonging to the gendarmerie. I had with me the supplies, the weapons and the radio transmitter for coordinating it all. There had been trouble a few days before the Americans had gone too far. There were people in their 40s, officers, tough guys. They took the game too far. They had attacked a barracks before they had even thrown a grenade near the Attorney General's Office, the civilian authorities reacted, saying this was too much. It was then that the planned attack on the Ville somme barracks was canceled. The day of the attack, we were told it had been canceled, but the Americans asked me to drive them to the camp as a standby the next morning, I went with my wife to Namur. NAMUR. Namur, doing my best with these place names, I heard on the radio that the barracks had been attacked at midnight. I can't say what happened, because I left at 8pm that evening. I wasn't supposed to stay. The following day, the commander of the Ville som barracks called me and updated me on the operation. He told me to tell the Belgian commando that the guard wasn't dead. He was in the hospital seriously wounded. Renee hakeen, hacken, hack one don't know journalist we read in the papers about an attack on a military camp of the Chaucer Ardennes here in Belgium. I went there along with other journalists. They had cut the fences, attacked the armory, wounded the guard, and left with a certain number of weapons. I was able to get into the camp because I knew some of the people there inside, I saw Foreign military personnel, notably Americans. For months, the explanation the civil authorities gave us was that the attack was the work of common criminals, or T words. It was several months before I received a telephone call. That is how I went to France and met Lucien desaire, who gave me his report and talked to me at length. He told me he had taken part in a secret maneuver which was to reproduce the operations of the resistance and of support for the resistance as it was done at the end of the war. The Saturday Evening of the attack, his role had been to take a military team in plain clothes to the Ville solemn camp. The plan was to attack that night, the American and Belgian authorities who were questioned admitted, after months, that there had been an exercise and admitted that certain attacks had taken place. I remember, for example, one attack on a military fuel depot in bastain, another attack on a police station at New Channel. Gradually, the military admitted that there. Had been certain attacks, but their last version of Wilson was that an attack was planned but had been canceled at the last moment, some of the arms stolen at Ville somme were found in an apartment belonging to the communist cell combatants. But journalists and observers continue to ask, had the T words been at vilsa, or were the boom sticks planted in their apartment to make it look that way? I've written in my personal notes, we saw the same narrative in episode two and how the media reported on the attack at petiano, on the carbonary like, oh well, it was common criminals. It was thugs who ran whorehouses. There was no political motivation whatsoever. Wink. The media is told only what they are meant to push on John and Jane Q Public, we now hear a telephone call. Someone calling saying, is this the editor's office? We want to tell you that we left a message for you at 26th Avenue, General de Gaulle in the entrance, under the letterbox. We also go back now to a reading from that military field manual that we saw at the start of this episode, in cases where the infiltration of agents into the insurgent leadership has not been effectively implemented, and may help to utilize Ultra leftist organizations. Roger lalemonde, head of Belgian parliamentary inquiry into Gladio in the 1980s a type of media T word developed here, which used the media to shock the public and political circles. The T word could have two sources, the extreme left or right, or it could be foreign governments and foreign intelligence services. It is T word which aims to destabilize democratic society. Guy comb or come, a not sure Belgian minister of defense, 1988 to 1991 in Belgium, there have been a number of unexplained events. An armed band committed numerous murders in the mid 80s, and we still know nothing about this. It has been suggested that their aim was to destabilize the democratic regime in our country. We see now a news clip from one of these attacks. A man on the street says he saw three masked men coming out at the rear. He said to his child dropped down. There they are. One bystander who tried to flee was shot at. Seven or eight bullets went through his car, and a shot grazed him behind the ear. Another man on the street. One woman, whose face was covered in blood, was screaming something about her child. I don't exactly know what Marshall lecu, Belgian, John Darn, 1972 to 1984 I left Belgium in August 84 after threats against my kids. He describes trying to report an attack that would happen in a supermarket, but was told to mind his own business and get out of here. So here we go yet again, another reference to the agent who tried to turn in Klaus Barbie and was told, shut up. Keep nice and quiet about it. You can turn him in when we're done with him, but for the time being, shut the fuck up. We go back now to La le monde. This crime troubled the public as it didn't seem to be justified by the sole consideration of profit from what could be grabbed from the supermarkets, the gratuitous killing of people could have a political motive. One recalls what happened in Italy at bologna where 80 innocent people died. We think a political organization was behind the Brabant Wallen killings. Poor Magazine ran a series of exposes about Neo fascist groups. We go now to Jean Claude Guerrero, editor of poor magazine, the front de la jenus had existed for several years. It was new, but its members had been in other political groups. Before that, there was the front de la jenus jeune Europe. The names of these organizations change, but you often find the same people in these groups. Dassault was in several of them, one suspects that there was a nerve center taking the decisions, and this was surrounded by concentric circles to which tasks were delegated. Naturally, there was a problem in that as you moved away from the center, errors were committed. The Ardennes affair was a functional error in the training of their group for active intervention paramilitary groups. They had to train elements from the extreme right, ex para Commandos, ex military men, gendarmes, militant, militant rightists, one of the Flemish organizations, VMO, had a combat section which they wanted to train. They did this in a camp in the Ardennes. This kind of exercise involves the firing of machine pop pops and throwing grenades. This makes noise and attracts attention. We were told that this camp was taking place. We knew about it and organized the necessary photographic equipment in order to record. Part of the action. Then we revealed their activities in a very deliberate fashion. We said we believe there is a VMO military training camp in the Ardennes where they use machine pop pops and Molotov cocktails with friends from radio and television. We interviewed general Beau rear at that time he was number one in the hierarchy of the gendarmerie. In the interview, he said that never happened. The same day the examining judge intervened. But where here they searched the premises and made a statement. Jean Claude Guerrero has lied. He has fabricated uniforms, photos and arms. It is all a masquerade. Now I've written in my personal notes, welcome to the mainstream media. People trying to expose something before they are allowed to are branded as Kooks and liars. So to make a long story short, this editor tries to expose this training camp, and instead, the lens gets flipped back on him, and he's called a liar. These people are saying, no, he's the liar. He's fabricated all of this. He made up uniforms, he faked photos, he faked arms. It's all a masquerade. He's making it up. We go now to Francis de San, head of the front de la jenus. The front was born in 1974 and existed until the 1980s at times, it was a political group, at times, militant extreme right wing. But essentially, it was a militant youth movement. The front carried out actions which upset things. It put many things into question, things which were well established. The front upset things so much that they wanted to destroy it. The front was condemned for their camps. In fact, all we did was what scouts do, what some companies do in incentive courses. Goes much further. The front didn't have military camps, but camping, which took place on private land, but rumors circulated, the front was authorized by military authorities. Everything was above board. Group G was a section of the front in the gendarmerie. As gendarmes, they did not want to be mixed up with the rest and risk being involved during demonstrations and so on. This dozen young gendarmes asked to be put in a separate section. So he's making it sound like we weren't doing anything, even as blunt as what people do at corporate retreats, we were just out in the woods like boy scouts getting their boy scout badges, right? Okay? Marshall lecou Again, dassain was the contact, and I've been recalled by another man from the gendarmerie to become a member of that group. Only police officers were inside that group. It was called group G, G for gendarmerie, and I did witness there, an unknown he an unknown name. I couldn't tell what he said. He just says, I did witness there, Mr. So and So, giving Dassault a confidential file from headquarters. The people they recruited were people like myself, people from headquarters, people who had access to certain inside knowledge. I believe other officers from headquarters were also involved. We go back now to dissonance. Le coup was part of group G he was one of its first members. He was so much a part that he later informed the Chief of Staff of the gendarmerie of their existence. We return now to Jean Claude Guerrero, I discovered Paul Latinus by chance during an interview, I soon began an inquiry which showed how Latinos had been implanted into the front with a specific task to teach the front how to carry out violent attacks, attacks on immigrant Arab cafes, how to organize military training camps and how To carry out surveillance. Latinus was charged with forming an army on the model of the SS. They had a secret service, a security service in the group. Each member had a double name, a code name, usually in German. The members didn't know each other. They were grouped together according to age. Each recruit didn't know the others. I contacted Latin news again. We met in a restaurant and talked all night certain authorities, he wouldn't say, which at first, had given him the job of creating a secret resistance group in Belgium. It was to fight certain Soviet penetration and to stop certain Belgian authorities from collaborating with the Soviets. We go now to Michelle Lee Bair of the Westland new post, 1978 to 1981 he says, the structure of Westland new post is always the same principle. You have a chief of staff at the top. Under him, two management groups which provide financial help or assistance from their respective authorities. The top people are unknown. They are only known as the key people in Europe. There were nine key people, and one was Paul Latinos. The world anti communist league couldn't act in all parts of the world when they wanted something done. Who would they use? Comrades of the same system. Europe is divided into eight parts, with a center. The central group includes Belgium, West Germany, Northern. France and Holland, the fittest members can form an action branch, and another can form an intellectual branch. They will be responsible for intelligence, thus information, action and the universities. Why the universities? One often has need for scientific help, for a laboratory, just as a judicial office, there's always a lab whose is the hair. We didn't go that far, but we did use chemicals, so I'm gonna butt in here. What he's saying there is, it's just like how forensics, like the cops, will have a forensics team, they'll have like a place where they can send DNA samples and hair samples. That's what he's saying, is these sleeper cells wanted to have access to scientific resources, like a lab. A request for explosives would not, no, wait a minute. Okay, a request for explosive would go to the university branch. We are not talking about TNT, but of much more specialized products. When an operation was to be carried out, Latinos was given the job, and to get us to do it, he had to have an aid in case of any problems, you can't send young members into the field. Within two hours, they would have a bullet between their eyes. There were always risks. They could be stopped by local police and asked for an identity check, the police turn up like hair in the soup. You can't say we're here on such and such mission doing what I can't tell you, click handcuffs. That's it. Latin news met people from the embassy, but I never met them like we meet now. It wasn't in my domain. His domain was the domain of diplomacy. That is the relations with foreign authorities. Our sole concern was action. We knew we were protected by all possible authorities, depending on the type of mission. Was he paid by the Americans? I can't say, but he was in contact with them. I'm going to branch off for a second here, because when they first popped up this thing about Westland new post, I didn't completely understand what was going on. They had been talking to journalists, and let's be honest, Westland new post sounds like it's the name of a newspaper, but it isn't going now to Wikipedia. Westland new post was a short lived Belgian extreme right wing organization founded in March 1981 by Paul Latinos and members of the front de la jeunesse. The organization ceased to exist after the front disbanded in 1983 and Paul Latinos was found dead in his girlfriend's home in April 1984 Wow. I'm going to scroll down a little bit because, you know, this Docu series was made in 1992 and they were interviewing this Michelle Lee bear, well, here's more to the story under the tab Brabant killers we read in October 2014 the Belgian police apprehended Michelle Lieber, the former number two of the organization. He was interrogated as a suspect in the Brabant killers case, and his house was searched. The Belgian public television station RTBF alleged that Westland new post had performed reconnaissance actions on the stores that later would be attacked by the Brabant killers. Lieber had previously been interviewed several times as a witness. He left the court as a free man. The search of his house did not reveal anything that pointed to a possible connection with the Brabant killers. I guess the more things change, the more they stay the same. I'm going to scroll down a bit more, because this story gets even more horrifying and messed up under the tab Latinos suicide, the Belgian police found the dead body of Paul Latinos in the evening of April 24 1984 at the home of his girlfriend after her notification, the police found him lying on the floor of a basement with strangulation marks around his neck, but no other signs of violence or disorder. They found a telephone cord that was cut. The girlfriend explained to the police that she found him when she came home from a bar, and that she cut the line between Latin news head and the ceiling. The body would be removed for burial, but the next day, a judge ordered a house search. The girlfriend was again interrogated and told the police that Latinos had a file that had certain information on part two days of high placed functionaries involving minors, she said she had burned the file after having shown it to an acquaintance. The an autopsy was made that same day on the body of Latin news. The acquaintance that might have more information on the case was later found to have moved to Spain before the Latino suicide, but he was not further interrogated during the investigation into the death of Latin news, several wnp members would find it hard to believe that Latinos committed suicide because he never gave a hint in that direction and had no reason to commit such an act. They found it more plausible that it was, in fact, a camouflage murder because he had a lot of compromising information on other people. Forensic tests were carried out in the basement in the winter of 1985 to check against the weight of Latinus to see if the cord was not supposed to snap. Nothing conclusive came from this, though, and an analysis of a certain quick strangulation method was also not found to be in agreement with the marks on Latinos net. The investigative team found no reason to continue the investigation, and thus the Latin news case was closed in the autumn of 1986 the remains of Latinos were exhumed in 1998 when the investigative team of the Brabant killers tried to find out if the DNA of Latinos could be brought into connection with the Brabant massacre, but no positive results were found. End quote, holy shit. So this is a TEFRA tepstein type of situation. I had to ask around, because, you know, I don't speak French. The more that I'm listening to it, the better I can understand it. I have a fairly rudimentary working knowledge of the language, but slang terms and things, no, not so much. So I had to ask around to find out. What is this? Certain? This he had information on certain part two days of high place functionaries, involving minors. What exactly does that mean? Well, I know this is a nighttime broadcast, but I'm still going to have to try to figure out the best way of saying this without being too vulgar. What I was told is that the the nicest interpretation of that word would be to say orgy. The not nice way of interpreting that word would be one person being sexually abused by multiple people at a time. So supposedly, Latinos has information like teffery tips, teen type of information on these high placed functionaries having sexual assault situations with minors. No wonder he's dead. I mean, just just when you think this whole Gladio thing cannot get any worse, it can't be any more disgusting. It always gets worse, always. There are some other sources that go deeper into the Latinos case and who he supposedly had the these compromising pieces of information on that's something to perhaps explore at another time. But suffice it to say, this is a group of just scumbags, in my opinion. I just we go back now to Renee the journalist, one member of this group was an inspector from the Secret Service. He later admitted that he was an infiltrator, but he said he had only given courses in surveillance in an apartment belonging to one of their members. This inspector wore a balaclava, and he was accompanied by a guard. His code name was Colonel. He had a W, N, P membership card with the secret code of the organization. We go back now to Gareau, among the technicians who gave courses. There was a member of the EEC security services called Robert. Another member always wore a balaclava during his lectures. He turned out to be an inspector from the secret services. These people gave courses in recruitment, surveillance and arms, Robert gave courses on explosives, on arms and shooting and on how to kill without leaving a trace. Go back to Renee. When asking about these courses, we wondered if he had organized exercises after the courses. The inspector admitted that he had in Brussels in May 1984 he had told the young members that the T word Carlos mistress lived there. And I'm not sure he was talking about Carlos here. I don't know Carlos' mistress lived there and asked them to trail her day and night. When we met in the following days and weeks, I asked Latinos who had asked him to build the group. He mentioned the state security. We have verified that he did work for the State Security. He talked to Foreign Military authorities. I pushed him, and he eventually sent American military secret services. I have written in my personal notes all roads lead to Rome. And by Rome in this case, I mean the Charlie, India, alpha. It always seems to come back to the military industrial or military intelligence complex people wonder why conspiracy theorists see fingerprints of intelligence everywhere, and I believe it's because they are there. This example with Latinos is only one example. This is another reason why I think it's important not to assume these were just a bunch of ragtag morons who were LARPing inside somebody's old warehouse or out in the woods somewhere on somebody's farmland. These fuckers were clearly capable of doing dangerous things. Renee continues, we now know of another exercise here in January and February. February of 1984 these young men were told of a couple living in Brussels who were probably KGB agents and had to be watched. Then, when we heard that this exercise had taken place, we remembered that in February of 1982 This couple had been strangled and shot. We go back to liber one received orders. We can go back to 1982 from 82 to 85 there were projects you, Mr. Lee bear, know nothing about why we're doing this. Nothing at all. All we ask is that your group, with cover from the gendarmerie, with cover from security, carry out a Job Target, the supermarkets. Where are they? What kind of locks do they have? What sort of protection do they have that could interfere with our operation. Does the store manager lock up? Do they use an outside security company we carried out the orders and sent in our reports, the business hours, what time they opened, what time they closed, what was this for? This was one amongst hundreds of missions, something that had to be done, but the use it was all put to that is the big question I put in my notes. Maybe that's true, or maybe this is a, Hey, I was just following orders, style of excuse. Also, there's not a question, because we know that people were murdered inside a supermarket. So he's sitting there like, I mean, what did they do with this information? I don't know It's anybody's guess. Well, no, it's not anybody's guess, because there were people murdered inside a supermarket. I mean, you pretty much know what they did with the information. We go back now to Marshall lecu. We plan to organize gangs and let them go by themselves, but make sure they would survive just to create a climate of terror in a country. The second plan was to organize a so called left movement who would do T word to make the general population think they were being done by the left. 1968 student rebellions in Europe led to the uprisings of left wing groups on March 16. 1978 the Italian left wing T words kidnapped the former Italian Prime Minister, Aldo Moro. The Parliament was about to debate the inclusion of the Italian Communist Party. Moro believed this would be a solution for political stability in the country. Oswald lewinter, various of these left wing T word organizations were penetrated and CO opted. Federico D'Amato, the Red Brigades were infiltrated with some difficulty, because they were a closed organization, a very efficient one, but there were some important and very successful infiltrators. We did a lot in the field of security, especially on a European scale. After the French events or the revolution of 1968 there was a real threat posed by subversive elements in Europe, so I proposed we set up a permanent committee, a European Committee, one which even Switzerland joined. Indeed, this committee was even called the burn club. The club still exists and brings the secret services of Europe together. Every time they meet, because I was the founder, they send a greeting to the godfather. That's me, Vincenzo. Vinciguerra D'Amato started in the secret services of the police forces and the Ministry of the Interior in the fascist era, and in the ensuing years, his father was chief of police and was employed by the police purging committee in 1945 and 46 in his work, he always maintained contact with the secret services. D'Amato was the founder of the burn club. It was his idea. It includes all the secret services of Europe and America. The first appearance of this group in the internal political battle is seen in 1972 with the so called Operation Chinese poster. They gave an extreme right wing Group LA avant garde Nationale the task of putting up Maoist posters. This was, in effect, an attempt to create an ultra left even more extreme than the Communist Party. The burn club drew this up at a meeting of the secret services of Europe, America and China, the Red Brigades were well known and infiltrated. All the members of the Red Brigades were well known to the police and the secret services. Wow. Wow. Alberto Franceschini, founding member of the Red Brigades, a few other comrades and myself went to Rome to stage an assault after our kidnapping of a judge. The plan was to kidnap a politician. We had decided it would be Andreotti. We hadn't even drawn up a plan of action, because suddenly, Renato and I were both arrested. This infiltrator in our midst, brother Mitra, had been in contact with our organization for a year. If he had wanted to, he could have infiltrated us even further, because after his meeting with Renato, we were going to ask him to become head of our military training. He would have had an opportunity to meet all of the clandestine members. What is most remarkable is why they chose to strike at that very moment. We go back briefly to Le winter. The planning staff of the Red Brigades was taking its order orders from Santo Vita, General. Santo Vita was then head of the Italian Secret Service. We go now to Gianni Cipriani, a journalist, Valerio Marucci of the Red Brigades, arrested after the murder of Moro, had a diary full of documents and phone numbers and highly confidential notes. Amongst them were the details of general Giovanni Romeo, head of D department in the Italian secret services, the most important office during the kidnapping of Aldo Moro. Bear in mind it was General Romeo who, last year declared to the Commission dealing with the massacres that he had agents inside the Red Brigades. Guglimi was first mentioned after Pier Luigi revasios confession to a carabinieri who had worked for military intelligence. Revisio, when he was an intelligence agent, had been trained at the Gladio base at Campo marriage. That's kind of how he says it. I'm trying to go off of that, because last time I was like marigu, mariju, I'm not sure marriage. He said that at the University of Rome, the services had an informer who warned them that Mauro would be kidnapped on March 16, 1978 he also said Colonel guglimi had been in via funny he had witnessed the kidnapping but had not been able to prevent it. Revisio also said guglielme was dead, but he was not. He was being interrogated by a Roman judge, and had partially confirmed revisio story by saying that he was in the area, but had no part in the kidnapping. What stands out is the fact that he said that he went to a friend's house for lunch. But all of this happened nine in the morning, which is a little early for lunch. He was in the Intelligence Bureau of the Ministry of the Interior. Evidence implies he was also a trainer at the Gladio base, Senator Libero Gualtieri. We don't know whether we have identified everyone involved in the murder of Moro. It has been said that there was an officer of the secret services in the area. When interrogated, he said he had legitimate reasons to be in the vicinity. I'm going to hop over now for a second to Aldo Moros page on Wikipedia, because for those of us outside of Italy, we may not have a good frame of reference for exactly what's going on in this story. Aldo Moro was an Italian statesman and prominent member of Christian democracy and its center left wing. He served as prime minister of Italy in five terms, from December, 1963 to June, 1968 and from November, 1974 to July, 1976 Moro served as Italian minister of foreign affairs from May, 1969 to July, 1972 and again, from July, 1973 to November, 1974 during his ministry, he implemented a pro Arab policy. Moreover, he was appointed Italy's Minister of Justice and of public education during the 1950s from March 1959 until January. 1964 he served as secretary of the DC on March 16. 1978 the kidnapping of Morrow by the far left armed group, Red Brigades, took place. He was killed after 55 days of captivity. Now under the tab kidnapping and death. They've written in Wikipedia that the event has been compared to the pop pop of John F Kennedy and referred to as Italy's 911 so that'll give you some context of the seriousness of what happened here we see now Morrows widow, Eleonora Morrow, either my husband or someone else told me, perhaps from 1975 onwards, or perhaps a little after 75 he had been told that this attempt of his to bring all of the political forces together in the government for the good of the country was something that was not appreciated by certain groups of people. And if he persisted in his efforts to follow up these ideas of his, if he insisted on going ahead with his political plan, he would pay dearly for it. Alberto Franceschini, he essentially says that he had no idea his comrades were capable of pulling off such a thing as kidnapping and murder. He thought they were a group of rag tag inexperienced young men, and it shocked him that they could pull off something of that magnitude. So you have one of the founders saying, I had no idea. I just thought that they were a bunch of young guys, kind of rough and tumble, goof assing around. I mean, I didn't really think they could kidnap and kill a former prime minister. We go now to Francesco cociga, former president of Italy 85 to 92 Aldo Moros. Death weighs heavily upon the Christian Democrats, as does the decision I came to which turned my hair white to practically sacrifice Moro to save the Republic. Gianni Cipriani, again in the Red Brigades printing office, found directly. After Morrows death, a printing press was found which had belonged to the secret services, the RUS section, the unit of special recruitment, the section in the secret services that recruited the gladiators. Michael le Dean, by the time that Morrows body was discovered, the Italians had worked themselves into such a frenzy and such a terror about the Red Brigades that I think if the Red Brigades had appreciated just how frightened the Italian government was at that point, they might have actually accomplished something politically. The goal of T word is to terrorize, and they had succeeded. Vincenzo. Vince gear, when I talk about ideals, I mean the pursuit of truth, not ideology. I believe that fascism was an historical experience that has simply faded. So the pursuit of truth doesn't just refer to the past, but also the present and the future. These ideals prevent me from repenting my deeds, because what I did was something I thought was right. I profoundly believed in what I was doing, and I still do. So I can't disassociate myself from the past. I want the truth that the state denies, and I can't even contemplate accepting the rewards the state gives to those who lie and are obedient because 1000s of people have been deceived, jailed and killed. Holy shit. I mean, he outright says, I profoundly believed in what I was doing at the time I did it, and I still believe in it. Now. I felt like what I did was right. There's nothing for me to repent for I've written in my personal notes. Boy, there is really a lot to contemplate here in this one statement. For one thing, it makes me think about paperclip and this supposed excuse of we got the Nazis that were really not that bad, and we repatriated them, and we retooled their programming so that they no longer believe in Nazi ideology. Yet we all know that's a load of bullshit. Vincenzo is pretty clear here, once a fascist, always a fascist. He admits that he's not sorry for anything that he did. He believed in what he was doing at the time, and he still believes in it. Now. There's nothing to repent for, because when we think about repentance, the Hebrew word is teshuva, which means to turn away. He hasn't turned away. He's still saying, I'm not gonna lie about anything. I fucking did it. I believed in what I was doing when I was doing it, and I still believe in it now. So I got nothing to apologize for. That is scary. If that doesn't give you a chill up your spine, you're not paying attention. We go back now to Alberto. Why am I spending 17 years in jail? I want to know who or what has used me when I thought I was going in one direction, was someone moving me in the opposite direction. I want to know I've written in my notes so to his point earlier that he thought that he was just in a rag tag group of youngsters that didn't know their butthole from their elbow. Is he being truthful on that, or is this just an excuse, because he's in jail and now he wants to say that he was being used by higher forces. My question is, was he used by higher forces? Did he know what was going on. Did he not know we realized that some of these people are set up to be patsies, just like Oswald was, but not everybody. We go back now to D'Amato, the so called Godfather, these puppets. The French call them automats. We call them automy From the word automatons, that is automated puppets. It is the attempt to give life to something that is lifeless, but whose movements and gestures are really quite charming. Here is a puppet which sums up what we have been talking about. This is the puppet of politics. This is the conjurer, or genre, the it I've written in my personal notes. This is some of the creepiest shit I've ever seen. He winds up a weird toy puppet and sits and watches it like he is the king being amused by a tiny just gesture. And this is how the elite see everyone else, puppets and pawns with that, this creepy image of D'Amato looking smugly at this little puppet The series ends. That's it. That's it. Puppets, something that is lifeless. Think of think about what he's saying. There's he's talking about human beings. He's using this puppet as a metaphor. Think about, we say, talk about flesh and blood, human beings. They're lifeless. Oh, their little mannerisms are quite charming, but they're lifeless. It's being manipulated by the elites, being manipulated by the people in charge, being manipulated by the people that are really running the show. Power that gives them life. It gives them purpose. Their meaningless, little pathetic life is devoid of any purpose until we imbue it with purpose. And the purpose is to shock and terrorize people. Remember in episode two, we were told to attack women and children. We were made to go after civilians, because that would cause maximum damage, maximum fear, maximum terror. I mean, I It's hard for me to even know how to close this out. Everything about this, to me, is so fucked up. It's so terrifying to think about tax dollars, to think about the economy being put into inflation, these QE and Qt cycles, and just fire up the printing press, you think about the Defense Departments having the so called black budget, where you don't know how much money they have, you don't know how it's being spent, but then You find out these snippets of information that are terrible, like, oh well, that Nazi was getting five grand a month, and that Italian Fascist was getting two grand a month, you start thinking like, Okay, wait a minute. Wait just a fucking goddamn minute. You have homeless veterans, you have people that are starving. You have children that don't have enough to eat. We're supposedly in the land of plenty, but you have homeless people, you have tent cities, and yet there's money to pay Nazis and Italian black shirt fascists. There's money to roll around with people like Klaus Barbie and the Black Prince. But fuck the homeless veterans. I I can't get there. I'm just I, I can't it's hard, like I said, it's hard for me to even know how to close this out, because what is there left to say, a creepy dude who refers to himself as the Godfather, and he says, Not only does this organization exist in the past. It still exists now, and we're pulling all of these representatives from Secret Service agencies in America, in Europe, in China. I mean, so I think it's a safe guess that this type of activity still goes on. It's still useful. I'm sure money's still being funneled into it. I don't know what else to say. I really don't. I guess the only thing left to say is what I already have said. If this does not horrify you, you clearly haven't been paying attention. Stay a little crazy, and I will see you in the next episode.

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