Episode 103: JFK - Reviewing "JFK: The Ultimate Conspiracy"

Does this documentary shed any new light? Does it get us any closer to solving the riddle of whodunit? 🤔

Links:

https://tubitv.com/movies/671605/jfk-the-ultimate-conspiracy

My JFK X episode: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2289560/episodes/14211462

My Madeleine Duncan Brown episode: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2289560/episodes/14230306

My Seven Days in May episode: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2289560/episodes/14328891

My Dr. Strangelove episode: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2289560/episodes/14198055

My Fail Safe episode: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2289560/episodes/14539212

My Best Evidence episode: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2289560/episodes/14408017

JFK's speech at the UN after the murder of Dag Hammarskjöld: https://www.jfklibrary.org/archives/other-resources/john-f-kennedy-speeches/united-nations-19610925

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Transcript

Transcription by Otter.ai.  Please forgive any typos!

Sara Causey discusses the documentary "JFK: The Ultimate Conspiracy," available on Tubi, which explores the *ssassination of President John F. Kennedy. The documentary, directed by Matt Salmon, features a 6.8 IMDb rating and is narrated by author Andy Thomas. It questions the official narrative of Lee Harvey Oswald as the lone sh00ter, suggesting potential conspiracies involving the C!A, LBJ, and corporate America. The film also examines the "magic bullet" theory, the role of the grassy knoll, and the mysterious deaths of key witnesses. Causey emphasizes the importance of pursuing the truth despite the incomplete nature of available evidence.

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

JFK conspiracy, documentary, Tubi, Jesse Ventura, Andy Thomas, Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby, magic bullet, grassy knoll, Watergate, LBJ, Federal Reserve, Cuban missile crisis, corporate America, conspiracy theories.

Welcome to con-sara-cy theories. Are you ready to ask questions you shouldn't and find information you're not supposed to know? Well, you're in the right place. Here is your host, Sara Causey.

Hello, hello, and thanks for tuning in. In tonight's episode, I will be talking about the documentary JFK, the ultimate conspiracy. If you find it on Tubi, as I did, it's available to watch free of charge, but I think it's alternatively titled killing JFK, the ultimate conspiracy. I'll give you my standard disclaimer here. There typically is a time delay between when I sit down to record a podcast episode versus when it hits the air. I don't have any control over what stays on Tubi. Things come and go. They rotate as of this recording. It's available to watch free of charge, not only on Tubi, but on a variety of streaming platforms. So if it leaves one, you should probably still be able to find it somewhere else. If you choose to watch it, it's about an hour long. So if you're just sitting around, maybe you're on your lunch hour or something, you have a little bit of time that you want to spend watching something of this flavor, you can do so it has like a 6.8 rating right now on IMDb, which feels about right, nevertheless, choose your frosty beverage of choice. Let's saddle up and take this ride.

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As I mentioned, it's about an hour long, and that's pretty much what I used it for. Was one evening when I had a gap of time, I had been doing some illustration work, and I was like, hunched over my tablet, drawing and adding color, and my neck and shoulders were tense, and I wanted to stretch out and relax. Something else was coming on later that I wanted to see. And I had about an hour of time, and I snooped around on Tubi and found this. I've never even heard of it before it was written and directed by somebody named Matt salmon or salmon. Don't know who he is. When you go to his IMDb, it just pulls up that he's a cameraman. I don't make any claims as to who financed this, who produced it. You find all sorts of things on Tubi, some things that are really good that you probably wouldn't have discovered otherwise, including, like, popular movies and classic movies. But then other times, you find things that are just plain weird. And you think, who paid for this, who greenlit This? Is just weird stuff that we find sometimes on streaming. It's currently sitting in a 6.8 out of 10 rating on IMDb, which seems about right to me. That's That's about what I would grade it to, I guess, if I had to. Nevertheless, let's explore what is brought to light or not brought to light in this it opens with Jesse Ventura saying that JFK was only allowed to serve less than one full term. He wanted peace, he sought detente, and he was a threat to the establishment if he hadn't been good, if he hadn't been doing something different, then he could have served indefinitely. He would have lived out a full lifespan if he hadn't been a threat. Now the main person who's like Jesse Ventura, only has cameos here and there. The main person that seems to be driving the documentary is this author named Andy Thomas, and he has a book called conspiracies, the facts, the theories, the evidence, a full disclosure. I've not read it. I've not heard of this person before, just disclosure. Here, he seems to be the main person that's narrating this documentary. For whatever reason, he says that conspiracies have always been around conspiracies, and theories about conspiracies are not a modern invention. We tend to think that they are, but they're not. And he references the murder of Julius Caesar as an early pop, pop conspiracy From UFOs to the New World Order. People want answers. JFK is murder really serves as a modern catalyst for doubt in official narratives, the powers responsible for JFK is murder still exist. The players may change. The system does not I agree with him 100% on that. So now we examine who pulled the trigger, who did it? We know that he was killed unless you go along with JFK x and you think that he faked his own death. He used a squib out in public and faked his own death and then ran off to Greece with his mistress, unless you've gone down that rabbit hole, we assume that he died. So who did it? The official story is that Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marxist, and he resented Kennedy's actions in Cuba, and he shot Kennedy from the Texas School Book Depository. He was apprehended soon after, but only after he had also murdered the police officer. JD, tippet Oswald had been a US Marine who defected to the Soviet Union. So the documentary asks, was he a double agent? Was all of this set up and coordinated anyway by the Charlie India Alpha? Oswald comes home to the United States with a Russian wife, and he is a sympathizer of Cuba, he begins handing out leaflets in support of Cuba and Castro. We're also told that Oswald resented Kennedy's wealth and wanted to take him down for that reason as well. Oswald supposedly fires his shots from his boom stick and then calmly goes to drink a soda in the break room. He doesn't run away from the scene quickly after Oswald does leave the depository and tries to go home, tippet sees him, so then Oswald murders him in the street. From there, he goes to a movie theater and the police come in to apprehend him. Now, Oswald shouts inside the movie theater, I am not resisting arrest. Presumably, he expected that he would be killed by the police. And he wanted witnesses. He wanted people, other people, in the cinema that day, to be able to say, Well, this guy said he's not resisting. He was screaming that he was not resisting, makes it more difficult for the cops to pop pop him. However, as we all know, few days later, Oswald is himself murdered by Jack Ruby. If you go back and watch the news footage, you hear a horn honk. A man screams, there he is, and then there's another horn honk, and then Ruby steps forward and shoots him in the stomach. The public is told that Jack Ruby was so upset he wanted to kill Oswald to avenge Jackie Kennedy and to avenge America as a whole, like he's some sort of citizen Avenger. Ruby starts to make statements of his own from jail. He drops hints of a wider conspiracy, and he wants to say his piece. Ruby tells the media that the world will never know all the details. And I will say, I agree. I agree that the world is never going to know all of the details. I just don't think it's possible. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't look for the truth or try to get as much of the truth as we possibly can. It just means will we ever know 100% know all of the details and all of the people involved? I just don't think so. Ruby dies, presumably, from cancer. He talks about how he was given injections and shots in jail. Nevertheless, he dies of cancer. I'm using air quotes of cancer. Then we get into the story of Rose. Jeremy rose tried to warn police that JFK would be killed. She also alleged that Oswald and Ruby were involved with each other, probably even sexually involved with each other, and that they were part of the larger JFK conspiracy. Rose gets killed and is found by the side of the road in less than a week in Dallas, JFK, JD, tippet and Oswald are all dead. Now we get into the magic bullet theory, a single bullet coming from Oswald zigs and zags around the car like a bumblebee. The Zapruder film reveals that Kennedy is driven back, not forward, when he's hit. What Oswald's magical shot from the Texas School Book Depository have driven Kennedy backwards. He also appears to be hit more than once, first in the neck and then in the head, because if you notice on the Zapruder film, he kind of makes a gesture towards his throat before the fatal shot is fired. So if that was just Oswald by himself from the Texas School Book Depository, which was behind the motorcade at that point. How did that happen? Well, it's a magic bullet. It zigzagged around all through Kennedy and all through Governor Connolly and so there you go. Don't ask any more questions. Peon. Next we get to the question of was the body tampered with when it left parkland and headed to Bethesda? David Lifton certainly makes an excellent case for that in his book, and then also in his documentary film. Best evidence. I have covered those on a previous episode, and I will drop a link to it so you can find it. If you are new to this podcast, if you're new to JFK research, absolutely highly recommend that you check out the work of David Lifton. We go now to the question of, was there another pop popper on the grassy knoll? The Warren Commission, aka the Allen Dulles commission, says they'll only consider testimony about the grassy knoll, if it backs up Oswald as the lone pop Popper, so you can talk about it, but we just want to make sure that you're only saying things that comport with the actual narrative. If you're saying that there was another pop popper there, then you're going to have to just shut up or be deemed an unreliable witness. There's something wrong with you, and you're at Kook okay, then we go to the umbrella man, who pumps his umbrella in the air and Andy's making a really good point here. Why was that even allowed to happen? It's weird that it happened at all. But then you start thinking about a president is there just as a basic security issue, why would you allow a man with an umbrella to get that close anyway, and then pump the umbrella up in the air more than once? That's weird. Then we have the three tramps. The photograph of the three tramps. Were they involved? Were they actual homeless dudes that were just wrong place at the wrong time? Were they agents of some kind? Were they Charlie India alpha and was e Howard Hunt one of them?

Now we segue briefly in the documentary to Watergate. Since Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis were involved in the break in, some say that the Watergate burglary was performed to retreat incriminating evidence showing that there were Charlie India Alpha agents at Dealey Plaza. Jesse Ventura says he believes that it was a triangulation of crossfire. This would be, as he says, a kind of minimum standard to ensure the job was done. The documentary also brings up Seven Days in May, I've recorded an episode about that also, which I'll drop a link to. Highly recommend that you watch that movie, because it asks the question, what if there was a military coup to take over the US? What if you had a peacenik president? What if you had somebody in office that wanted detente the military didn't. The military believed that whatever the enemy was, obviously, back in the day, it was the Soviets. What if the military believed that the Soviet threat was just too serious, and a peacenik President was going to lead everybody to the graveyard, ironically, by pushing for peace, could there be a coat? Could the military take over the US government? That's what it really asks. Was art imitating life? Food for thought. Then the documentary asks us if Oswald didn't do it, or if he didn't do it alone, then who else was involved? Some have pointed the finger at LBJ obviously, he would have directly benefited from Kennedy's death. He reversed some of JFK policies, including Vietnam. And I don't think it's any secret that towards the end of Kennedy's life, he and Johnson were not getting along. It's been said numerous times by numerous credible sources that Kennedy really wanted him off the ticket for 64 Andy Thomas brings up Madeline Duncan Brown, who I've also talked about in a previous episode. I'll drop a link to that one too, and the alleged party that happened at Clint murchison's house. Now, this is something that gets delved into quite a bit in that mini series the men who killed Kennedy, what do we make of Madeline Duncan Brown, I've asked that question in a previous episode, what do we make of this house party, this alleged house party that happened at Clint murchison's place. Did you really have all of these movers and shakers going to this party talking about the murder of JFK before it happened, and then did you have people celebrating it afterwards? Because someone who allegedly worked in the Murchison household said, Oh, it was caviar and champagne and roses. It was a gorgeous mood after Kennedy was killed. And it's like, I mean, this is possible, but I've always looked at that skeptically. It's one of those things that it can't be proven. And I don't know, I just tend to have a wary opinion of women who come out of the woodwork later to say I was this person's mistress. And now I'm going to tell you all the dirt, maybe, maybe not. If you've ever watched that show, The Good Wife, that's something that's dealt with in that program as well, because people. Or Florek has all of these affairs and embarrasses his wife terribly, and then this one particular prostitute just will not go away. She keeps wanting to keep her her 15 minutes of fame forever. The 15 minutes of fame turns into more like 15 hours of fame, and it's like, is this lady ever going to go away? So whenever you have a mistress or a call girl that, oh, I was a long, long term booty call for this guy. And I want to tell you all the dirt, it's like, I don't know. There was also the accusation that Mac Wallace was one of the poppers at the behest of LBJ. Is this possible? These are just questions that the documentary asks us, but it doesn't answer anything. Now it segues to where the Charlie India alpha and the fox trot Bravo India involved Jesse Ventura says that JFK was more hated within his own government than he was abroad. Andy Thomas comes back and mentions the Fed. As you may remember, there was talk of Kennedy wanting to get some freedom from the Federal Reserve System. And I still have one of the old Kennedy bills that is made by the or was made by the US Treasury, as opposed to the Fed. So we have the Fed, the Charlie India alpha, the Foxtrot Bravo India, the military industrial complex, and you have JFK making all of them mad. It's a little bit like pick a card, any card as to who he pissed off. Now they play excerpts in this documentary of JFK is address at the UN after the murder of dag hammer, though they don't credit it, they show excerpts of the speech, but they don't say why he's there. And that broke my heart, because I knew I recognized the speech and the environment immediately, and I was like, Yeah, well, he's there because someone murdered dag that still to me, is the unkindest cut of all. I just as soon as I saw the footage, I was like, oh, god, oh god. So it does ruffle my feathers that they showed that speech and they didn't even put up like a little bit of text at the bottom to say, JFK, eulogizing dag hammers at the UN in September of 61 we're all just supposed to forget that dag ever existed. I'm on a mission, damn it, to make sure that doesn't happen. We also learn that corporate America was not happy when Kennedy starts talking about nuclear disarmament, detente with the USSR, no thanks. That's bad for business, don't you know the Cuban missile crisis de escalates against the expectation that it would lead to war, at least some kind of hot, kinetic war, if not a full blown nuclear war, then at least some kind of conflict, some, some, some kind of bloodshed.

And I think that Andy gets into some good, good possibilities around that, but, but I'll get there. I'm jumping ahead a little bit so Kennedy wants peace. The the broader power structure does not the military industrial complex, corporate America, the weapons manufacturers, etc. There's another theory that Castro and Khrushchev coordinated the pop pop of JFK. Also that Cubans and their business structures who wanted Castro gone might have been involved. Because, you know, whenever Castro took over, you had, like, casinos and brothels and things that were shut down. This is portrayed to some degree in The Godfather Part Two. So you have disgruntled Cubans and exiles, you have business interests that kind of looked at Eisenhower as going to be a president who would take care of that problem, like clean up this mess for us and get rid of this troublesome individual, Castro and he was planning to but then his term expires, and there's the expectation that Kennedy is going to follow suit. And then when the Bay of Pigs invasion is botched and things go to hell, Kennedy's on the outs with a lot of these people now. Andy makes a good point. This is what I started to touch on a minute ago. Perhaps the military industrial complex didn't really want world war three, because if you blow up the entire world, you don't make any additional money. That is a good point. That's a very good point warfare, but only just so much. Now I'm thinking of Doctor Strange Love and fail safe, both films I've covered previously on this podcast. I'll try to remember to drop links for those as well. You know, you have turgidson played by George C Scott like well, we're probably going to murder 10 or 20 million people, depending on the brakes. And then in fail safe, you have. Of Walter matthau's character, which I believe was based on Herman Kahn, saying much the same thing, only Sidney Lumet takes things in a more dramatic direction, where Kubrick makes a dark political satire, Sidney Lumet plays it for drama. So we have Walter matthau's character saying like, well, you are going to have millions of people who die. We're going to need to have continuity, continuity of government plans. We're going to need to have continuity of corporations plans too, so that business and commerce can resume after a nuclear war. And he's saying it just like he's planning where he's going to have a picnic in the summertime. It's just disgusting. But Andy's making a good point. If you have too much warfare, if the human race gets totally obliterated, you don't have consumers anymore. You don't have commerce, you don't have governments. That is going to become a problem. So there seems to be this idea that, well, perhaps they didn't want a full tilt war with Russia. Perhaps they didn't really want nuclear bombs being dropped, but they wanted just enough of a conflict to get really freaking rich. We fast forward in the documentary now to 1968 more questions arise. Martin Luther King Jr is killed. RFK senior is killed Sirhan. Sirhan is in front of RFK, yet the fatal shot came from behind. So what really happened there? That's something I plan to get into in some future episodes. I have been reading Lisa peas book about RFK murder. I've been working my way through it slowly, though, because I have so much of my own stuff to do. It's just unreal. The H, the House Select Committee, the h, S, C, A investigation years later, does not really answer questions to the satisfaction of the public. About the time that this investigation got interesting, it was stopped. They essentially concluded that there was probably a conspiracy. It's like, do you think there was probably a wider conspiracy? Uh huh. Andy argues that society is becoming more conformist, not less, and that as fewer people care. No one does anything. I had to really sit with this and think about it for a second.

I think he's right. I just think it's happening in such an interesting and different way, because we think about the 50s, not long ago, I watched Dead Poets Society, and there's so much conformity in that film. I don't want to spoil it for anybody, because if you haven't watched that movie before, you plan to, you want to just skip ahead, you know, just hit, hit the skip button and go 30 seconds or a minute or two into the future on this episode. But you know, there's that character, Neil, I think his name was who ultimately commit suicide because of the conformity. And the teacher, Robin Williams, is the scapegoat. He's trying to encourage these boys to think for themselves and to do what they want to do in life, to leave their mark on the world. Carpe Diem, look at all of these students who have come before you, some of whom are already in the graveyard, seize the day, do what you want to do in this life. Before it's over with, Neil wants to be an actor, and he's good at it, but that's not what his father wants. His father wants to lock him down. You're going to be a doctor. It's like all of these boys are at this prep school, and it's like you're going to be doctors, you're going to be lawyers, you're going to be business be businessmen, you're going to be financiers. That's it. Those are your options. We don't have that kind of overt conformity. I think that in modernity, the conformity has really happened via apathy and scrolling, mindless scrolling, mindless engagement with stuff, apps, social media, even streaming. I try to be careful with streaming. I really do, because I watch things for this podcast and I watch things for pleasure at the same time. I don't want to ever get to a point where I just find myself on to be or Pluto or whatever, and I'm just like, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, I try to have an agenda of what I'm going in there for before I pull anything up, because it can be its own rabbit hole, and I think that that is what Andy is identifying as conformity. He's also bringing up a good point that as you have fewer people who were there fewer people who were alive when it happened, you have fewer people that care. You have fewer people that are willing to stand up and do anything about it. Mm. The people of the older generations that they remember where they were. They can tell you, even if they were young school children, they can tell you exactly where they were. I had a conversation not long ago with a man. He was in seventh grade when JFK was murdered, and he said that just left such a psychic scar on everybody. I still remember where I was. I remember the class. I remember who told me interestingly. He also remembered being in the fifth grade when Dag hammarsk was murdered, and he said that was really the first political murder that I remember. It was the first one that I ever paid any attention to, because I remember seeing it in the newspaper. As I've said before, the onus really is on us. I'm a Gen X, or I was born toward the very end of Gen X. It's really on us in the younger generations to carry an appropriate torch so that important people, people that tried to make a difference. They weren't saints, they weren't perfect. They tried to make a difference. They tried to do the right thing. They don't fall by the wayside. They don't go into complete obscurity. No one knows, no one cares. At the end of the documentary, Andy also predicts, in my opinion, quite rightly, that one day the public will be told that all the documents in relation to JFK and the JFK Pop Pop have been released, but it won't be true. I thought that's a perfect way to end that documentary.

I absolutely agree. I know that the orange man did his document dump like, here you all go. I've been promising that I would do this. Here you go. Do I think that we have every document? No, I think there are some documents we'll never have because they got shredded, they were burned. They just don't exist anymore, and you're never going to know. Plus, there had to have been tons of things regarding that murder that were never written down, that happened in the shadows. There's no paper trail, because nobody ever put it down on paper. I mean to me, that just seems like common sense. Nevertheless, as I said, just because we won't ever have all the answers, it doesn't mean that we stop pursuing the truth. It doesn't mean that we stop talking about what happened, or that we let what happened fall by the wayside as if it doesn't matter anymore. Because it does matter. It absolutely does matter. We're still living with the ramifications of that day, and I would argue we're still living with the ramifications of things that happened all throughout the 60s, the murder of Dag hammarsk, JFK, RFK, MLK, Malcolm, X Medgar, Evers anybody who really wanted to go for peace, go for civil rights, go for equality, and they had a platform to do it. They weren't just giving lip service. They weren't some Charlie, nobody with no platform, but they had a platform. They had an audience, and some means of actually being able to make change? No, no, they just weren't allowed to be here anymore, and we need to acknowledge that all these years later. So this documentary, does it give us any firm answers? No, it's the kind of thing that, if you are not super familiar with the murder of JFK, if it's something that you've just gotten interested in, and you want to get a very basic rundown of what happened. It would be worth your time to watch for an hour, certainly for free. You don't have much skin in the game to watch a free documentary. I would recommend it in that regard, if you've been studying for a long time, if you have some particular area that you're well versed in, inside and out, probably would be quite boring to you. In the meantime, my friends, stay a little bit crazy, and I will see you in the next episode.

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