Episode 116: RFK - Was Sirhan a Manchurian Candidate?

A documentary from e2 films asks the question: Was Sirhan Sirhan a Manchurian candidate? 

➡️ According to an attorney and a psychologist, yes.

➡️ Is Sirhan a paranoid schizophrenic?

➡️ Was he/Is he one of the most suggestable people ever? 

➡️ Were members of Sirhan's own defense team planting bogus ideas into his head?

➡️ Were "Frankie" and the "Radio Man" plants from the mafia?

➡️ Is all of this window dressing that keeps us from asking who the actual *ssassin is? 🤔

Links:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCU2MCxjAJ0&t=7s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_F._Pepper

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_L._Diamond

https://themobmuseum.org/notable_names/moe-dalitz/

https://www.buzzsprout.com/2289560/episodes/18417741

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The podcast episode discusses the documentary "The Real Manchurian Candidate," which explores the theory that Sirhan Sirhan was hypnotically programmed to assassinate Robert Kennedy. The documentary features interviews with Sirhan's attorney, Laurie Dusek, and psychologist Dr. Daniel Brown, who claims Sirhan is highly suggestible. The narrative includes Sirhan's background, his interactions with a man named Bernie Diamond, and his experiences at a firing range. The episode raises questions about the real assassin, the involvement of intelligence agencies, and the possibility of Sirhan being a patsy rather than the primary shooter.

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Sirhan Sirhan, hypnosis, Manchurian Candidate, Robert Kennedy, brainwashing, MK Ultra, James Earl Ray, William F. Pepper, Bernie Diamond, Corona firing range, Morse code, mafia connections, J. Edgar Hoover, psychological operations, conspiracy theories.

Welcome to con-sara-cy theories. Are you ready to ask questions you shouldn't and find information you're not supposed to know? Well, you're in the right place. Here is your host, Sara Causey.

Hello, hello, and thanks for tuning in. In tonight's episode, I will be covering a documentary available on e2 films called the real Manchurian Candidate, and it explores the question, was Sirhan? Sirhan hypnotically programmed to pop, pop. Bobby Kennedy, now this, as you can probably imagine, opens up its own can of worms, its own set of interesting questions, if sir hand was programmed to kill, why did they choose him, and who did the programming, and why was RFK a target for elimination? Let's dive in to this topic tonight. Choose your frosty beverage of choice, and we'll saddle up and take this ride.

Just a reminder. Sara's award winning biography of Dag Hammarskjold, Decoding the Unicorn, is available on Amazon. Her next nonfiction project, Simply Dag, will release on July 29th. To learn more about her other works, please visit SaraCausey.com. Now, back to the show.

The documentary opens up with a little snippet of Bobby Kennedy's speech at the Ambassador Hotel, and then rapidly careens into the immediate aftermath of the Pop Pop where Bobby Kennedy is laying on the ground. People are screaming, and they're like, we we have a man who is pointing a boom stick. We think it's him, and then we see a still photograph of Sirhan, and that's really when the documentary begins in earnest. The first person interviewed is named Laurie du sec, and she has been sir hands attorney. She says that she was 10 years old when RFK was murdered. Her sister came in the bedroom and told her that it had happened, and she was devastated, and she assumed that sir hand did it. And she says that for years, she just figured that he was the guilty party. But as she started to read books and do more research, she became skeptical. We read a placard that says, on April 23 1969 Sirhan. Sirhan was sentenced to death for the killing of Robert Kennedy. They play a brief clip from a television interview that he gave the following day. The interviewer asks him, if you had three wishes right now, what would they be? Which seems like kind of an odd question to ask. It's almost like, Hey, what's your last meal in the jail going to be? Dude, do you want some steak and lobster? Or what it's like if you had three wishes? If a genie could pop out of a lamp and give you three wishes, what would they be? It's like this person has been convicted of a high profile political murder, and that's the question. I mean, okay, I guess he says, I wish that Senator Kennedy was still alive. My second wish is that there should be peace in the Middle East. Laurie talks about going to Corcoran prison to meet Sirhan and being surprised that he was soft spoken and quiet. She further describes him as being polite and articulate and being a genuinely nice person.

She alleges that one of the first things that Sirhan says to her is, if anything happens to me while I'm in jail, I didn't do it. So it sounds like he has a fear of being unalived in the prison which, let's face it, that's not an outrageous fear to have given the circumstances. We now meet a psychologist named Dr Daniel Brown, who says that he's a leading expert on hypnosis and coercive persuasion at Harvard Medical School. He says that he got involved with the Sirhan case through a colleague, and this colleague had also been involved with the case of James Earl Ray. This colleague says that after meeting with James Earl Ray for over a decade, he was convinced that he was not the person who popped popped Martin Luther King, Jr, the common link, at least to begin with, between Dr Daniel brown and the attorney Lori dusak, is this other attorney named Bill pepper, who had come to Laurie and gotten Laurie interested, or I guess maybe marshaled Laurie's existing interest in the case, And then he also had gotten involved with Daniel Brown, so that that's kind of our back story. There's this man named Bill pepper, who's an attorney. That's the common bond amongst these people. Just so we have a little bit of context here, I'm going to hop over to Wikipedia for the page of William F pepper. William Francis Pepper was an American. American lawyer who was based in New York City and noted for his efforts to prove government culpability and the innocence of James Earl Ray in the pop pop of Martin Luther King Jr. Pepper also tried to prove the innocence of Sirhan. Sirhan in the pop pop of Robert F Kennedy. He was the author of several books and had been active in other government conspiracy cases, including the 911 truth movement, and had advocated that George W Bush be charged with war crimes. Well, can't say that. That's a surprising conclusion. So we go back to Dr Dan Brown, and he talks about having expertise in what's called non suggestive interviewing. And he says that he's had more than 100 or 150 hours talking to Sirhan. And, I mean, we can certainly talk about this idea later in the episode. But that's, that's one criticism I think of this documentary is like, well, what if they were just planning suggestions in sir hands head? But for now, we'll just, we'll, we'll take him at his word for a second. He says that he knows how to do non suggestive interviewing, and that he's done so for all these hundreds of hours. He says that when he first met Sirhan, he was basically clueless. He didn't know about what happened that night. All he knew was what he had been told by other people. They splice in a clip of Sir hands parole hearing from 2011 and someone asks him, what do you remember? And he's like, obviously I was there, but I don't remember pulling the boom stick. I don't remember aiming it at any human being. I just don't remember any of that. And I've said that from the get go. Dan says that he and Laurie were blocked for a year. They had to really work through the legal system to even be able to go see him when they're allowed access. Dan says that the prison system put them in this room with plexiglass and a phone that didn't work so they couldn't hear each other very well, and it was also close to the guards, so that they could monitor everything that was going on. It really was not a true like you have confidentiality, you have, excuse me, attorney client privilege, type of conversation. Now here's where it starts to get even more interesting, because we have Lori saying, I have never seen somebody that could get hypnotized that fast whenever Dan would tell him to count backwards from 10, there was one time that he actually made it to three before he went under but all of the subsequent times he would be under hypnosis by like number seven. And then we see Dan come back on the screen, and he's like Sirhan is one of the most suggestible people I've ever seen.

You can get him to do anything under hypnosis, and then he doesn't remember it. So he's the perfect candidate. Dan also tells us a story about somebody named Bernie diamond. I tried to do some research to figure out who that person is. I haven't come up with anything yet, but somebody named Bernie diamond goes in and does like a media demonstration in front of two or three reporters about how suggestible sir hand is, so he hypnotizes him, so that whenever he takes a handkerchief out of his pocket during an interview, Sirhan will feel compelled to climb the bars of his cell. So 45 minutes into this demonstration, he takes the handkerchief out, sir hand starts climbing the bars of his cell, and when he's asked, What are you doing that? Why would you why would you want to behave that way? And he's like, Oh, I'm just getting some exercise. So Dan concludes that he was, in fact, hypnotized, and he had no memory of Bernie telling him anything about the instructions. Laurie says that Sirhan did not believe that he had been hypnotized, that he was not capable of being brainwashed. So Dan would conduct little experiments, I guess, on tape, maybe audio tape or something, so that whenever Sirhan was out from under the hypnosis, he could hear it played back, and then he would know that he had did or said some wonky things when he was under Lori says that Sirhan thinks that Dan is a coke and the whole thing is crazy. She says that it took some time for them to convince Sirhan that he didn't actually murder RFK, because he said that grant Cooper, who was the chief defense attorney in the murder trial against Sirhan had told him that he was guilty, so it was like he was just going along with whatever this other person had said, which to me is a little bit odd. If your story all along has been you don't remember being there, you don't really remember what happened that night. But then somebody else comes along and says, Well, you did it. I mean, are you automatically going to believe them, or is this part of the 4d chess that they're playing? I don't want to get ahead of myself. I want to just kind of report the documentary before I go into editorializing too much. But I just when I heard that comment, I. Found it odd grant Cooper had convinced him. We had to convince him that he wasn't guilty, because grant Cooper had supposedly convinced him that he was guilty. And he doesn't believe that hypnosis is real, and he thinks that this psychologist is a kook, hmm.

Dan says that there are some psychologists who say that Sirhan is a paranoid schizophrenic, then we have another cadre of psychologists who say that he's not paranoid schizophrenic. He's highly suggestible, but he's not a schizophrenic. We see a brief clip from a program that aired on CBS in 1976 called American pop poppers, and there's an interview with Dr Edward Simpson Callis in regards to Sirhan, Callis says that other people had to have been involved, and Sirhan was their programmed to be a distraction for the real murderers, whoever they may have been. He goes on to say that he feels like Sirhan would have been the perfect soldier in World War Two, because he would just go along. He was a follower. He would follow orders. He wouldn't ask questions, and he was willing to die. Whatever was brainwashed into him. He would just do it. There would be no impulse to act in one's own self interest or to be protective of oneself. He would just go along with it and do it. And He further says that Sirhan could have been programmed so easily by using the Arab Israeli conflict as your starting point. Dan says that Sirhan was given Rorschach inkblot tests both at the time of the murder and then 47 years later, and there was no evidence of a thought disorder. The way he explains it is that if somebody has paranoid schizophrenia, their thoughts around ambiguous objects like the ink blots become more and more disorganized, and you score them up from there based on how disorganized their thought process is. But he said, Neither at the time of the murder, nor 47 years later, was there any evidence based on the inkblot test anyway, that Sirhan was a paranoid schizophrenic. He says that Sirhan scored high as far as having a dissociative coping style, and he explained that as meaning that whenever he's under stress, it's like the brain begins to compartmentalize. So it's a bit like the cliche, the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. There may be one part of his brain that's dealing with the trauma or the stress, and then other parts of his brain that have blocked it out, they play a creepy tape of this Bernie diamond, and that helped me to find him, once I had more context for who he was, that helped me to find him. But they play this Bernie diamond doing an experiment. There's, like, all this heavy breathing, and he's talking about, you're, you're taking out the boom stick. I was like, this is just creepy and weird. So again, for ease of use, let's hop over to Wikipedia for a second. Bernard Lee diamond was a professor of law and Psychiatry at the University of California, Berkeley. He is primarily known for his contribution to what is now forensic psychiatry. He was an expert witness for the defense in many well known trials, most notably the trial of Sirhan. Sirhan who was convicted of killing Robert F Kennedy. The defense based much of their case on Diamond's testimony that Sirhan was suffering from diminished capacity at the time that he fired the deadly shots in the 1980s Jonathan marks, who was representing Mark David Chapman for his alleged act of murdering John Lennon, brought Dr diamond in to perform medical legal evaluations on Chapman, but because Chapman later decided to plead guilty, diamond did not give testimony. The whole deal with Mark David Chapman and John Lennon, that should absolutely be its own episode. I do plan to get there, but, but now I'm like, okay, so this Bernie diamond was involved in testifying and helping to be an expert witness for the defense, including what was going on here with Sirhan. The audio, as I say, is creepy and weird. Laurie asserts that Bernie hypnotized sir hand and then led him on, gave him answers, programmed responses into him, which, if that's true, then that helps to explain some things.

He says that Sirhan comes to the US to kind of like be placed with a Christian family over here. He has a sister that's three years younger. She gets sick and dies from leukemia, and he's devastated by it. After her death, he strikes up an interest in the occult in the process. So he says of trying to figure out if there's a way to communicate with his deceased Sister, he stumbles upon the writings of the Rosicrucians, and then he also finds a self a self hypnosis course that's offered by the Rosicrucians. He says that he spends a lot of time self hypnotizing. Him. He's also, at this point, working as a stable boy and working around horses, which makes sense, because if you think about somebody who's short of stature and has a thin build, you automatically think of somebody who could work as a jockey. However, even though Sirhan has this dream of being a jockey, he doesn't have any horse riding experience. We're told that someone calls him up out of the blue and gives him a job as a jockey, riding thoroughbred horses. And as Dan says, It's bizarre to hire somebody with no experience. Their only qualification is their their body build. They have experience generally as a stable boy, but they don't have any experience riding horses. You're going to hire this person to be a jockey for some thoroughbred horse that's worth like, a quarter of a million dollars. That's weird. The doctor who treats him says that he needed, like, four stitches and had a minor injury to his eye after he gets thrown from a horse, he has some kind of horse riding accident, which, again, would that be really that surprising if he's been around horses, but he's not some accomplished jockey. He gets thrown from the horse, something happens, and he gets what we could assume to be a head injury, goes to the hospital. The records say that the doctor discharges him after a few hours, and he just has the four stitches and a minor injury to his eye, according to Sirhan, he disappears. He just blips, does a Thanos blip for like two weeks, and his mother and his best friend are desperate to find him because they don't understand what's happened. Sirhan claims that during this time, when he has blipped off the map, he's having some freaky experiences. He says that he was put into a ward at a hospital with no windows and six or eight other people who also had head injuries. He says that he remembers going in and out of consciousness, and that doctors would come in periodically through the day to take urine samples and ask questions, which, as Dan points out, why would a doctor be taking urine samples multiple times a day for a head injury or a minor injury to a person's eyeball, but they would be doing urinalysis multiple times if they're experimenting with drugs. Once he does come back, the friend and the mother say that his personality is different. He's withdrawn, reserved and argumentative,

and they said where before, he didn't have the tendency to get combative about stuff. He's more likely to pick an argument over something stupid, like his brother claims that one day they had an argument over a cup of tea, and that was just totally unlike him. Laurie says that what Sirhan remembers is that he had been to a shooting range, and he had been there for hours. Finally, when it's going to close down, the manager tells him like, Hey, bud, you got to get out of here. So he goes to a hamburger joint and meets up with a friend. And the friend is like, hey, why don't we just go play pool for a while? But he declines that offer to go play pool and instead goes to the Ambassador Hotel and he sees that there's a party going on, so he has four Tom Collins even though he says he's not a drinker, he's only consumed alcohol twice before in his life, both times it made him sick, so he didn't like to drink alcohol. But for some reason, he goes in the Ambassador Hotel while RFK is victory party is going on, and and knocks back for Tom Collins cocktails. He doesn't feel good. He thinks that he can go back out to his car and maybe drive home, but he realizes that he's drunk and he's not going to be able to do that. He says, he goes back into the ambassador, thinking, maybe if I can get some coffee, I'll sober up. And he says he runs into a woman who's also looking for coffee. He says, this woman is a very attractive woman wearing a polka dot dress. And he goes to the bartender and is like, Hey, can I get a cup of coffee? And he points to this girl and tells the girl, go take him to the coffee urn to get some coffee. Dan claims that Sara hand told him a man with a badge and a clipboard came up and said, You can't stay in here go to the kitchen. And that's how he and the girl in the polka dot dress wound up in that kitchen slash pantry area. And as Dan points out, that's one of the things that is odd about the RFK murder, because it's like in the murder of JFK, he takes that weird dog leg turn to go down Elm Street. It's like, why would that have even been allowed to happen? That's completely bizarre. And then in RF case, it's like, he's supposed to be going on a more normal route through the hotel, like to the press room. Instead, he winds up going through this tiny kitchenette pantry area. And then how would the pop Popper, or pop poppers, plural, know about the change in the route that he's going to be walking. But this man with the badge and the clipboard apparently tells Sirhan and the girl in the polka dot dress, don't come in here, or don't stay in here. Go to this kitchenette pantry area instead. So. Sirhan tells Dan, allegedly, that the two of them are sitting on a stacker table, and he's trying to chat her up, trying to flirt, but she's distracted, and then a wad of people starts coming through this small area, and she reaches over and pinches him on the arm. And as soon as she pinches him on the arm, he goes into rage mode and doesn't remember anything else until he remembers people like choking him out and restraining him. They mentioned the diary, which hopefully you listen to my episode about the documentary, RFK must die. I'll drop a link to it, in case you missed it. They start talking about the infamous notebook entries where it's like Sirhan has been doing automatic writing. RFK must die. He must be eliminated. He must be pop, pop and then not even having any memory of having written anything like that. Dan says that under one of his hypnosis sessions, when they started talking about sir, hands experience with firearms and so forth, he stands up and assumes a posture like he's shooting a boom stick at a range. And he starts using all of these military terms about hitting vital organs and aim for the target at k6 and canine and and Dan is like, Well, how would he know that? Like, you wouldn't take a civilian just some rando at a range wouldn't take a civilian and teach him all of this stuff, like he's getting this information and knowledge from somewhere. Dan's theory is that someone brainwashed him to go into this mode where he would just stand with a boom stick and fire and didn't like in his mind, he's seeing a target at a range, and he's just trying to pop the bullseye. And it's Dan's theory that, in this capacity, Sirhan has been brainwashed and then used as a distraction. So it's not that it was really intended that he would be the Pop Pop, or necessarily, he just had to be convincing enough to be to get everybody's attention. So that's like, look over here at this guy. He's a Freakazoid. Look at what he's doing so that you're not seeing the actual pop Popper, who, according to the autopsy, must have been standing behind RFK and not in front of him. Anyway. Now, Sirhan claimed that he had some involvement at the corona firing range. And so when he, like, blanked out and went into what he's calling this range mode, that it was like, in his mind, he was standing at this Corona firing range, looking at a bull's eye. And Dan says that he went online, found out that the place truly existed, and at the time of this documentary, still existed anyway, and that, in fact, it was documented that Sirhan had been there numerous times. Moreover, he says that the man, a man named Frankie, who hired him to go to the ranch and become a jockey for thoroughbred horses, was the same man who took him to this Corona firing range in the first place, and then after that, it's like Frankie disappears from his life and is not seen again. So there's a theory that Frankie sets him up with this jockey job, probably drugs him to make him incapacitated in some way, to guarantee that he's going to fall off the horse and have a head injury. And then at the same time, you know, all this stuff is going on in this ward, where he's potentially also given more drugs, and there's more experimentation going on. He's taken to this firing range, and then it's like Frankie was the handler who was responsible for all of that, in the same way that the girl in the polka dot dress is supposedly the handler for that night to distract him with having an attractive body and a busty chest and all of that to get him in there so that she can pinch him and he'll fly into his mode where he just thinks that he's pointing his boom stick at a target at the range. The interviewer asks who Frankie is, and he says that that was an alias that was used by a man who actually worked for a mobster.

Lori talks about how in sir hands notebooks, with all the weird automatic writing, he talks a lot about the master, and she threads the needle on that supposedly anyway, that whenever Sirhan is under hypnosis, he says that he's talking about the range master, because I had wondered that too, like, who is the master? Who the fuck is this guy talking to? Like, the master as in Satan, or the master as in some handler from the Charlie India alpha, or like, who's the master? According to Sirhan under hypnosis, allegedly, when he says the master, he's talking about the range master at this firing range. So if you think this story is already weird, buckle up, because it gets weirder. So all right, after the fall from the horse because of the eye injury, Sirhan starts having some further issues with his eyes. He goes to a doctor in Pasadena. He borrows a friend's car. And drives himself there. The doctor puts drops in his eyes, and his vision is blurry. So he thinks, Well, I don't want to try to drive home, especially like I can't see very well. I've borrowed somebody else's car. So he goes to a nearby diner, thinking, I'm going to let this medication kind of settle a little bit. He has an interest in shortwave radio. He had apparently purchased one from some women who had it from like World War Two, and he claims that he wasn't sending messages on it. He was just listening to it for fun. And he goes into this cafe, and there's a man with a strange accent. Apparently, Sara thought it might have been a Cajun accent. He has like, glasses and a funny mustache, and he's smoking a pipe, but he has this short wave radio like in the diner, and Sara Ann is fascinated by it. It's a nice, newer model. And so he's like, Oh, hey, I want to go talk to you about this. And the guy's like, blowing pipe smoke into his irritated eyes and speaking with a weird accent. And I'm like, this is super bizarre. It's the kind of thing that if I was thinking about it in a novel, I'd be like, I don't this doesn't follow, and it doesn't really make any sense. I think I would lose the reader at this point, the guy apparently starts telling him all kinds of anti government sentiments while he's sitting there blowing smoke in his face, and he tells him that he's going to write a thesis so fast forward in time a little bit. Sirhan goes back to the same doctor to get some more of the eye drops. As Laurie says, I've often wondered what was in those eye drops, the vision gets blurry again. So he goes back to that same cafe to wait it out for his vision to improve. And lo and behold, it's the same random dude with the radio. So the second meeting, Sirhan is kind of sitting there thinking like, Well, this guy is too old to be a student, and he doesn't look or behave like a professor. So what is he writing a thesis about? He follows the guy out of the cafe, and he shows him this paper of his anti government thesis, or his anti government manifesto. He said the document was anti Nixon and anti LBJ, but it actually didn't mention anything about Robert F Kennedy at all. It's interesting here, because they continue to have this weird little meetup situation at the same cafe after going to the same doctor to get the same eye drops, which is weird, because Sirhan tells Dan and Laurie that he thinks the guy's a weirdo. He thinks the guy's a kook, but yet he keeps meeting up with them and having this weird i don't even know what you'd call it. Is it a friendship? Are they acquaintances? Are they frenemies? I don't know it's it's a weird situation, like, here's this random guy who's saying anti government things, and apparently was talking about pop popping people. And you think he's a weirdo and a coke but yeah, you keep meeting up with him.

Why? When Sirhan it's like, Oh, but wait, the plot thickens. So when Sirhan goes back to this Corona firing range shortly before the Pop Pop, He is accompanied by a man with a weird mustache and glasses and a strange accent that may have been Cajun, but he refuses to sign in. Dan asks him, in the time leading up to the murder, what were you doing at night, if you were going and spending a lot of time at this range, what were you doing at night after the range closed? And he was like, Oh, I was playing on the short wave radio, and he started tapping out Morse code signals. And so Dan, at this point, wonders like, was he communicating with somebody on this short wave radio via Morse code without even really knowing what he was doing or what he was saying. So then Laurie asks him, well, what kind of stuff were you listening to on the radio? Well, I listened to broadcasts out of Europe and out of the Middle East and some local things. But I really love this channel that came through clear as a bell. It must have been local and it was all Morse code. It's like, did you know Morse code? No, why were you listening to it? Laurie says that whenever Sirhan is not hypnotized, he does not know Morse code. Whenever he is hypnotized. He does know Morse code. Dan says that Morse code is no pun intended, but is a code. It is a way to put sir hand into a trance instantaneously. So he doesn't even have to be formally hypnotized, like you're getting drowsy, count back from 10 and all that, like if you just start doing Morse code, he goes into a trance state. And Laurie believes that the automatic writing about do what Master says, RFK must die. And all of that was coming through the radio via Morse code. And he was just like taking down what was being told to him via Morse code. Naturally, Dan brings up MK Ultra, and he also talks about jolly West. I'm going to put a pin in jolly West for now, because I also intend to do an episode about chaos and Charles Manson. And jolly West will come up again in regards to Charles Manson and what the hell happened with his cult.

Dan says that whenever he showed a photo of Jolly west to Sirhan, he said he looks familiar. I don't know who he is, but he looks familiar, so we can't really say that's a positive identification. It's just like one of those things that make you say, hmm. Dan brings up the possible mafia connections to all this, and in particular, a man named mo daylitz Who was involved with the Purple Gang. He had a nickname like Mr. Las Vegas, and according to Dan dailets, was involved with bootlegging at about the same time that allegedly, Joe Kennedy SR was involved with rum running and bootlegging during Prohibition, and according to Dan Joe senior, ran afoul of Mo daylitz, and Mo daylitz put a hit out on him, so there's already this bad blood between Dalits and the Kennedy family. Allegedly, he says that this man, Frankie, who was involved with the mob, was also involved with Mo daylitz. Dan says that there was a connection between mo daylitz and J Edgar Hoover, that J Edgar Hoover had a gambling addiction and was allowed all kinds of privileges at facilities owned by daelits. And so the two of them were cozy with each other in terms of trying to get Sirhan out on parole or trying to get a new trial. Dan and Laurie are told, Well, you raised the possibility that there was a second pop Popper, but you didn't give us a suspect. You raised the possibility that he was brainwashed and put under mind control, but you didn't tell us who did the brainwashing. And Lori's like, well, that's not our job. Our job is to get enough evidence to say that at least put him out on parole, he's not a danger to society anymore, or at least, let's do another trial and present some new evidence and and the court systems are not going along with that. Dan tells a story about having some of Bernie Diamond's old tapes in his luggage. He takes a flight to California, and his bag goes missing. So he files a missing bag report. A few hours later, he gets it back, and some of the tapes are still playing in the tape recorder, and it's obvious that the bag has been searched. Dan claims that not long after that, he goes to St Louis because he's giving a psychological lecture on something totally unrelated, and a woman from the airlines allegedly steals his bags. And he makes a big scene about and he's like, I'm going to scream, you have cops in here, you have TSA, you have people affiliated with the Department of Homeland Security. I'm going to make a ruckus and say that you're a thief. And the woman is like, well, all bags have been rerouted to a military base in California if they pertain to the Kennedy family in any way. And he said for a while, anytime that he flew, his bags would get stolen. Things would go missing. And it just became, I guess, part of the job. You could say, he says it gets audited every year, and supposedly, and an agent told him that someone high up in the Department of Treasury had said, like, every This guy needs to be harassed every single time that he files a return, he needs to get audited for it for the rest of his life. So he's like, who has the power to subvert your rights against illegal search and seizure? Who has the right to make your life a living hell, when every time that you try to pay your taxes, it would have to be somebody on high that's able to do that. And then why would they even be interested in me? Anyway, we're clearly ruffling some feathers if I'm going through all of this persecution. Something that I did not know is that, allegedly, after 911 Sirhan was put in solitary confinement and was kept separate from everybody for like six years. And they asked him, why did he have a copy if he's a devout Christian, why did he have a copy of the Quran? And he said, it's because I want to stay fluent in Arabic. I need to have contact with the Arabic language, otherwise I'll lose my fluency if I don't use it and interact with it enough. But they thought maybe, or claim that. They thought maybe he was involved somehow as a conspirator to like, 911 and I'm like, my god, this just gets crazier and crazier.

So I want to play advocate and devil's advocate, because I think that that's important. Laurie talks about people just they don't want to believe that Manchurian candidates could be real, even though there's been all this evidence about brainwashing and mind control and MK Ultra people just don't want to believe that something like that is possible, and not only that it's possible, but that it actually happened, that it was actually deployed at a high level. And I don't disagree with that. People don't want to believe. I think some people are waking up because of the types of things that have been released in the Jeffrey tepstein files, but you have other people that really just want to bury their head and they they might say, well, all right, so we have a. Elite classes of perverts that do evil, terrible things, ranging from cannibalism to being PDF files. But I just can't believe that during the Cold War, there really were Manchurian candidates. I can't believe that MK Ultra happened, or they might say it happened, but it was back then, like there's no brainwashing now and then, when you try to talk about people like Michael Aquino writing the book mind war, and you're telling them about Psyops and how wars of the future wouldn't be about blood and guts on the battlefield, which is not to say that there wouldn't ever be blood and guts on the battlefield, but that's not going to be the primary mode. The primary mode is that it's going to be a war that takes place psychologically. It will be through psychological operations less than boom sticks and grenades and tanks. They don't want to hear that. They're just not at a point where they can accept that. Now, does that mean that Sirhan was a Manchurian Candidate, it's possible I would be more likely to believe that he wasn't programmed to kill but was programmed to be the Patsy, which leads to the question of why didn't they eliminate him? Because Jack Ruby's function was to eliminate Oswald, because Oswald never said, Yeah, I did it, and fuck JFK was terrible, and I was out for his blood. Like Oswald wasn't going around saying those types of things after he was arrested. And you would think if the excuse that well, Oswald was this shrimpy dude who didn't have anything positive going for him. And he looked at JFK, who's the shining king of Camelot, and thought, fuck that guy. I'm going after him. Like, wouldn't he want to take credit for it? Wouldn't he be like, I took away your golden Prince. I'm, I'm, I'm the shit now. Like, wouldn't he want to take a victory lap after he did it, if that was his big thing. So I'm like, is it possible that he was programmed to be the designated Patsy and was programmed in such a way that he would always sound like a kook or an excuse maker, because that's what it sounds like, objectively, right? Like, Oh, I don't remember. I mean, I know I was there and I've seen pictures and everything, but I don't remember. I don't I don't know what happened when somebody just tells you over and over again, I don't know. And I've said that from the beginning, it rings hollow. It sounds fake. Like anybody can say that, like jailhouse conversions. Well, I was out murdering and robbing and doing these terrible things, but I have a relationship with the Lord now, and so you should let me back out. It's like, Of course you do. Isn't that convenient? So why haven't they eliminated him? Is it simply because they have already done that? It would be too much like Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald, it would be too on the nose to get rid of Sirhan. I mean, why? Why didn't somebody come along and just eliminate him as a problem? And then Dan brings up the alleged involvement of the mafia. And anytime that that comes up, I bristle, because to me, you're you're giving an out to organizations like the agency. You're basically saying like, well, what if it wasn't the Charlie India alpha, or what if it wasn't entirely the Charlie India alpha? What if it was the mob? Because blaming it on organized crime makes it sound like, well, it was criminals that that did it. It wasn't people that have badges and pretend to be good and virtuous and they're fighting for things that are right in the world. It's It's dirty mobsters. It's people that do murder for hire and they do nasty things anyway, right? Okay, which is not to say that it's impossible that the mafia was used in this operation, but it's just like what Garrison said about JFK. Could the mob have done all of this? Could the mob have orchestrated this cover cover up at the highest levels of the government? No. Were they used? Yeah, probably So, probably so with both Jack and Bobby, but I think to say, like the whole thing was masterminded and then perpetrated by the mob. I don't personally believe that. Just like I don't personally believe that LBJ was the mastermind and the puppet master for everything that happened to JFK, I don't personally buy that. We come to another very important question of, if Sirhan was brainwashed, who did it? Who was pulling the strings? If he was functioning like a marionette, then who was the puppet master pulling his strings, the mob? I mean, really, who has the ability? To do something like that, that would be much more intelligence agencies, MK Ultra and not the mafia. I would also wonder about the possibility of fakery, especially if we take a look at just this documentary. We're not we're not looking at any other outside resources or outside information. We're just evaluating what we're told in this documentary, The so called Weird stuff that he's doing under hypnosis could be faked if you had somebody come in and say, Oh, I'm going to give you a media demonstration of how suggestible this man is. Whenever I wave my handkerchief, he's going to climb his bars like He's a trained ape, like somebody's sitting there and they're hearing you. They know what you're telling them. They don't have to be hypnotized to follow instructions like that. That's something that's so easily faked that it doesn't give me a high level of confidence that it's true. I'm not saying that it isn't true. I'm just telling you I don't personally have a high level of confidence in that, because it could so easily be staged or faked. It's not to say that Sirhan wasn't a Manchurian Candidate, or that he wasn't set up to be a patsy. I'm just saying that in my mind, it seems like these hypnosis demonstrations could be fake, which makes me wonder about their veracity. And then that makes me wonder, well, what's the point of all of this when we start to go down this wormhole of was Sirhan a Manchurian Candidate? Is that distraction? Is that keeping us? Because when we're sitting here going, well, was Sir hand a mentoring candidate? It's like, well, who was the real pop popper? Who else was there? And then what was the motive and who set it up? It was Sir hand just plucked out of obscurity because he was so suggestible, it was easy to to hypnotize him and brainwash him so that he would go in and be a distraction. That's possible. I just, I just really wonder, though, like with the LBJ thing, if you point the finger at LBJ and say he was the mastermind, he was responsible for the pop pop of JFK, then it takes all the emphasis away from looking at anybody else, it becomes a salacious distraction, and that's kind of the vibe that I got with this idea of, let's go down the wormhole, talking about Sirhan doing weird things under hypnosis, and then a harrowing tale of my bags are always searched and seized, and people was people listen to my cachet of hypnosis tapes, and my bags were sent to a military base in California, and I was told that that happens to anything that pertains to the Kennedy family, and then I get audited every year when I try to do my taxes, and I'm being persecuted. All of that may be true, but I'm just sitting back going, okay, but who's the real murderer of RFK? It to me that should always be the question. When we start talking about this topic, like somebody murdered him that day. Who was it?

Just some food for thought. This documentary is only an hour long. It is worth watching if you have time. I do recommend it for me. I think it it gave more questions than answers, and chief amongst them is okay, but why have we still not identified the pop Popper, if it wasn't sir hand, and to me, it sounds like it couldn't have been. He was in front, and the fatal shot came from behind. It wasn't him that did. It was he just the Patsy? Did somebody set him up and brainwash him to do it? Sure that's possible. But then who was the real killer? Stay a little bit crazy, and I will see you in the next episode.

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